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Originally Posted by Lisa Svensson:
*I don't want to sterotype anyone but I got a pretty good feeling that you are into hip hop..."

you'd be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Josh Vanderloop:

Originally Posted by Lisa Svensson:
*I don't want to sterotype anyone but I got a pretty good feeling that you are into hip hop..."

you'd be wrong.

Yeah, I know.  I just got inspired to drop a quote of Steve Hughes, when you wrote hip hop...

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
The only **** I watch is vintage if at all, live cams are where its at for me, and dont call live cams "****" unless youre ready to defend your stance.

I love debating, we can even all join in to mass debate.

So do I! I'm an aspiring master 'bater. So what the hell, I'll take a swing for awhile. (I'd call it a draw on our awful masturbater joking ability tho lol)

****, derived from pornography derived from the Greek  pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from ****ē prostitute + graphein to write.

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction


Voyeurism, derived from voyeur. French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see. A prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous

The voyeuristic attraction to watching sexual acts played out on webcam is considered to be watching pornography. Live Peep Shows are not considered  pornographic because even though it falls under the 3rd definition of pornography, it is not portrayed on any form of media. If you were sitting in the room with them, watching outside the window or watching through a peephole in the wall down at a couple who was having sex, that would be just plain voyeurism and not pornography. Because the intention of the sexual act was not to solicit feelings from outside, unknown observers portrayed through a form of media.

But the live act sent over the internet with the intent of prompting an excited emotional response or reaction from one or more viewers would be considered pornography since the internet is a form of media  or medium on which the depicted acts are transmitted on or through.

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lol @ this thread having over 2000 views.

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Originally Posted by Cari LuvThrash:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
The only **** I watch is vintage if at all, live cams are where its at for me, and dont call live cams "****" unless youre ready to defend your stance.

I love debating, we can even all join in to mass debate.

So do I! I'm an aspiring master 'bater. So what the hell, I'll take a swing for awhile. (I'd call it a draw on our awful masturbater joking ability tho lol)

****, derived from pornography derived from the Greek  pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from ****ē prostitute + graphein to write.

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction


Voyeurism, derived from voyeur. French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see. A prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous

The voyeuristic attraction to watching sexual acts played out on webcam is considered to be watching pornography. Live Peep Shows are not considered  pornographic because even though it falls under the 3rd definition of pornography, it is not portrayed on any form of media. If you were sitting in the room with them, watching outside the window or watching through a peephole in the wall down at a couple who was having sex, that would be just plain voyeurism and not pornography. Because the intention of the sexual act was not to solicit feelings from outside, unknown observers portrayed through a form of media.

But the live act sent over the internet with the intent of prompting an excited emotional response or reaction from one or more viewers would be considered pornography since the internet is a form of media  or medium on which the depicted acts are transmitted on or through.

Cari you ignorant ****

pfftHA HAAA Not really, just wanted to say that in a debate since watchin Chevy Chase and Jane Curtain on SNL when I was a kid and youre cool so I thought I could get away with it.

Your case is ironclad, heres mine.
Idnis fun?

People engaging in sex acts in front of webcams arent "pornstars", unless they have already appeared in **** films or magazines, but rather they are exhibitionists with a type of exhibitionism known as "martymachlia" where they recieve gratification by having others watch them perform sexual acts.

Martymachlia is also a form of "paraphilia" where an object or situation is required to achieve stimulation, webcams are their means to that gratification.

Your insisted rule that "live transmission over the internet"  constituting as "pornographic medium" would have to apply to all means of communicative transmissions including the telephone.

It is my assertion that "phone-sex" and "cam-sex" both are only forms of "virtual sex" to be engaged in when distance makes physical contact impossible,  and in fact  not merely "the perusal of a materia"l as with pornography, but a mutually gratifying interaction.

P.S. I love you Cari thank you for engaging with me, finally a chick into mutual debation

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Cari LuvThrash:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
The only **** I watch is vintage if at all, live cams are where its at for me, and dont call live cams "****" unless youre ready to defend your stance.

I love debating, we can even all join in to mass debate.

So do I! I'm an aspiring master 'bater. So what the hell, I'll take a swing for awhile. (I'd call it a draw on our awful masturbater joking ability tho lol)

****, derived from pornography derived from the Greek  pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from ****ē prostitute + graphein to write.

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction


Voyeurism, derived from voyeur. French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see. A prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous

The voyeuristic attraction to watching sexual acts played out on webcam is considered to be watching pornography. Live Peep Shows are not considered  pornographic because even though it falls under the 3rd definition of pornography, it is not portrayed on any form of media. If you were sitting in the room with them, watching outside the window or watching through a peephole in the wall down at a couple who was having sex, that would be just plain voyeurism and not pornography. Because the intention of the sexual act was not to solicit feelings from outside, unknown observers portrayed through a form of media.

But the live act sent over the internet with the intent of prompting an excited emotional response or reaction from one or more viewers would be considered pornography since the internet is a form of media  or medium on which the depicted acts are transmitted on or through.

Cari you ignorant ****

pfftHA HAAA Not really, just wanted to say that in a debate since watchin Chevy Chase and Jane Curtain on SNL when I was a kid and youre cool so I thought I could get away with it.

Your case is ironclad, heres mine.
Idnis fun?

People engaging in sex acts in front of webcams arent "pornstars", unless they have already appeared in **** films or magazines, but rather they are exhibitionists with a type of exhibitionism known as "martymachlia" where they recieve gratification by having others watch them perform sexual acts.

Martymachlia is also a form of "paraphilia" where an object or situation is required to achieve stimulation, webcams are their means to that gratification.

Your insisted rule that "live transmission over the internet"  constituting as "pornographic medium" would have to apply to all means of communicative transmissions including the telephone.

It is my assertion that "phone-sex" and "cam-sex" both are only forms of "virtual sex" to be engaged in when distance makes physical contact impossible,  and in fact  not merely "the perusal of a materia"l as with pornography, but a mutually gratifying interaction.

P.S. I love you Cari thank you for engaging with me, finally a chick into mutual debation

No sweat, it's all good   Now, onto the debate.

First, the point of one not being a **** star until already being in a **** medium is a seperate argument. Being a "star" of any subject implies a popularity or notoriety has been gained in your craft or field. But even if it is your first film/video/transmission/ photo you are still being paid for your role...making you a pornographic artist, not martymachliian.  

The act of accepting money in lieu of the gratification motivation is what moves the act from a martymachlian into a **** actor/model...including phone sex operators for the individual. Phone sex operators especially, considering only a miniscule percentage of phone sex operators actually  masturbate while on the call. This is also the reason that **** actors and phone sex operators can't be arrested for prostitution for accepting the money, they are actors playing a role for entertainment purposes only. The money is paid to them for the role, not the sex act.

But if a **** couple puts their Yahoo webcam on public and does the deed free of charge, that would be a martymachlian pornographic act, as they were not being paid, but transmitted their sex act though a medium for the sole purpose of soliciting a emotional response, including their own.  

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This thread needs more spanking.

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Originally Posted by Purgatori Rising:
This thread needs more spanking.

lol at her facial expression.

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Originally Posted by Purgatori Rising:
This thread needs more spanking.

*deposits in spank bank*

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Originally Posted by Cari LuvThrash:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Cari LuvThrash:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
The only **** I watch is vintage if at all, live cams are where its at for me, and dont call live cams "****" unless youre ready to defend your stance.

I love debating, we can even all join in to mass debate.

So do I! I'm an aspiring master 'bater. So what the hell, I'll take a swing for awhile. (I'd call it a draw on our awful masturbater joking ability tho lol)

****, derived from pornography derived from the Greek  pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from ****ē prostitute + graphein to write.

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction


Voyeurism, derived from voyeur. French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see. A prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous

The voyeuristic attraction to watching sexual acts played out on webcam is considered to be watching pornography. Live Peep Shows are not considered  pornographic because even though it falls under the 3rd definition of pornography, it is not portrayed on any form of media. If you were sitting in the room with them, watching outside the window or watching through a peephole in the wall down at a couple who was having sex, that would be just plain voyeurism and not pornography. Because the intention of the sexual act was not to solicit feelings from outside, unknown observers portrayed through a form of media.

But the live act sent over the internet with the intent of prompting an excited emotional response or reaction from one or more viewers would be considered pornography since the internet is a form of media  or medium on which the depicted acts are transmitted on or through.

Cari you ignorant ****

pfftHA HAAA Not really, just wanted to say that in a debate since watchin Chevy Chase and Jane Curtain on SNL when I was a kid and youre cool so I thought I could get away with it.

Your case is ironclad, heres mine.
Idnis fun?

People engaging in sex acts in front of webcams arent "pornstars", unless they have already appeared in **** films or magazines, but rather they are exhibitionists with a type of exhibitionism known as "martymachlia" where they recieve gratification by having others watch them perform sexual acts.

Martymachlia is also a form of "paraphilia" where an object or situation is required to achieve stimulation, webcams are their means to that gratification.

Your insisted rule that "live transmission over the internet"  constituting as "pornographic medium" would have to apply to all means of communicative transmissions including the telephone.

It is my assertion that "phone-sex" and "cam-sex" both are only forms of "virtual sex" to be engaged in when distance makes physical contact impossible,  and in fact  not merely "the perusal of a materia"l as with pornography, but a mutually gratifying interaction.

P.S. I love you Cari thank you for engaging with me, finally a chick into mutual debation

No sweat, it's all good   Now, onto the debate.

First, the point of one not being a **** star until already being in a **** medium is a seperate argument. Being a "star" of any subject implies a popularity or notoriety has been gained in your craft or field. But even if it is your first film/video/transmission/ photo you are still being paid for your role...making you a pornographic artist, not martymachliian.  

The act of accepting money in lieu of the gratification motivation is what moves the act from a martymachlian into a **** actor/model...including phone sex operators for the individual. Phone sex operators especially, considering only a miniscule percentage of phone sex operators actually  masturbate while on the call. This is also the reason that **** actors and phone sex operators can't be arrested for prostitution for accepting the money, they are actors playing a role for entertainment purposes only. The money is paid to them for the role, not the sex act.

But if a **** couple puts their Yahoo webcam on public and does the deed free of charge, that would be a martymachlian pornographic act, as they were not being paid, but transmitted their sex act though a medium for the sole purpose of soliciting a emotional response, including their own.  

Now were hinging upon not "wether or not its ****", but actually "wether or not the person in front on cam is being paid or doing it because they legitemately get off that way".

Now its getting sticky.

No question people do get paid to "perform" in front of a cam, even more often though people perform in front of their cams for free.

Would those who do it for free also do it for money? Yes. Would those who get paid to perform also do it for free? They say they wont but  still do.

Money isnt their only motivator, but it is being used as the only decider to designate  what they are doing as ****.

Could we then agree that free live cams are not ****?

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Cari LuvThrash:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
The only **** I watch is vintage if at all, live cams are where its at for me, and dont call live cams "****" unless youre ready to defend your stance.

I love debating, we can even all join in to mass debate.

So do I! I'm an aspiring master 'bater. So what the hell, I'll take a swing for awhile. (I'd call it a draw on our awful masturbater joking ability tho lol)

****, derived from pornography derived from the Greek  pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from ****ē prostitute + graphein to write.

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction


Voyeurism, derived from voyeur. French, literally, one who sees, from Middle French, from voir to see. A prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous

The voyeuristic attraction to watching sexual acts played out on webcam is considered to be watching pornography. Live Peep Shows are not considered  pornographic because even though it falls under the 3rd definition of pornography, it is not portrayed on any form of media. If you were sitting in the room with them, watching outside the window or watching through a peephole in the wall down at a couple who was having sex, that would be just plain voyeurism and not pornography. Because the intention of the sexual act was not to solicit feelings from outside, unknown observers portrayed through a form of media.

But the live act sent over the internet with the intent of prompting an excited emotional response or reaction from one or more viewers would be considered pornography since the internet is a form of media  or medium on which the depicted acts are transmitted on or through.

Cari you ignorant ****

pfftHA HAAA Not really, just wanted to say that in a debate since watchin Chevy Chase and Jane Curtain on SNL when I was a kid and youre cool so I thought I could get away with it.

Your case is ironclad, heres mine.
Idnis fun?

People engaging in sex acts in front of webcams arent "pornstars", unless they have already appeared in **** films or magazines, but rather they are exhibitionists with a type of exhibitionism known as "martymachlia" where they recieve gratification by having others watch them perform sexual acts.

Martymachlia is also a form of "paraphilia" where an object or situation is required to achieve stimulation, webcams are their means to that gratification.

Your insisted rule that "live transmission over the internet"  constituting as "pornographic medium" would have to apply to all means of communicative transmissions including the telephone.

It is my assertion that "phone-sex" and "cam-sex" both are only forms of "virtual sex" to be engaged in when distance makes physical contact impossible,  and in fact  not merely "the perusal of a materia"l as with pornography, but a mutually gratifying interaction.

P.S. I love you Cari thank you for engaging with me, finally a chick into mutual debation

The bold statement is not necessarily true.  There are plenty of **** stars that only do cam stuff, and plenty that are not into martymachlia.  A lot of cam performers perform on cam because it is probably the lowest risk entrepreneurial businesses you can start up.

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The bold statement is not necessarily true.  There are plenty of **** stars that only do cam stuff, and plenty that are not into martymachlia.  A lot of cam performers perform on cam because it is probably the lowest risk entrepreneurial businesses you can start up.

Do you mean there are performers who only ever appear on live cam and are considered pornstars without being featured in any recorded videos? Ive only heard of ****  performers who may perform on cam but also have vids and pics to market.

Granted it is cheap and easy for "entrpeneurs" o sit in front of a cam and get off, but it tkes someone with martymahlistic tendencies to even consider it as an option, otherwise why do such a thing.

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if she was sincere about the spanking she would turn her head with teeth bared and clenched and demand " smack that ass like a **** man!"


or at least that's how it goes in my head.

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

The bold statement is not necessarily true.  There are plenty of **** stars that only do cam stuff, and plenty that are not into martymachlia.  A lot of cam performers perform on cam because it is probably the lowest risk entrepreneurial businesses you can start up.

Do you mean there are performers who only ever appear on live cam and are considered pornstars without being featured in any recorded videos? Ive only heard of ****  performers who may perform on cam but also have vids and pics to market.

Granted it is cheap and easy for "entrpeneurs" o sit in front of a cam and get off, but it tkes someone with martymahlistic tendencies to even consider it as an option, otherwise why do such a thing.