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I don't fuckin' care either way.. all I know is that should the day come we see nukes launched into the air, I'm going to make sure I have a raging boner, while standing sideways and my hands raised in the sky in the shape of the 'horns' so that when I'm wiped out, that's the imprint of me you'll see on the ground!

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, would be cool if it wiped out all men except me and left women, blonds of course, after a year when the trees come back, it will be like eden, hey i can dream can't I?

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Nice to see you guys focusing on the real issues...

/sarcasm

This is pretty awesome though, you have to admit

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Originally Posted by Tobias Magus Caligula:
Someone with a bitchin tat like this?

A man with taste.

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:
Im a rationalist and objectivity is  bi-partisan.
I think  that I also remember Mullah Omar's willingness to handover bin Laden at first, then his insistence upon the U.S.'s proving bin Laden's guilt and distinctly remember Bush's response as basicly " He's guilty because I say so", and from there our military's attempts to find him ourselves in the mountains of Afghanistan being thwarted not only by the Taliban but also particuliarly when his apprehension or most likely death was most certain in the mountains of Tora Bora, our leader's inexplicably calling off the attack and allowing him to escape. These added to the mounting suspicious actions taken by the Bush Administration during that time that give credence to the theories of the "9/11 Truther Movement", which is another discussion by itself.

In the years since then bin Laden has released tapes alluding to his complicit guilt and even a video of himself watching and prasiing the martyr video of at least one the hijackers made prior to the attack. The prospect that he was behind the 9/11 attacks is sound, wether or not the U.S. knew of and allowed it precisely for the reasons youve described, " to invaded Afghanistion", oreven  more likely the oil- rich Iraq,   is persuasive.

However, I only want to respond to your assertion that bin Laden had been "dead for years", and his killing "stage". First, the notion that hed been dead for years is quickly dispelled by his aforementioned continuous release of audio and video tapes in which were references to timely events such as the 2004  election and others up to as recently as March last year threatening death to Americans if Khalied Shiekh Muhammed were executed.

Finally, the likeleyhood that his killing was staged seems all the more unlikely when considering the facts divulged threaten to jeopardize the already shaky but still even now very necesarry alliance with Pakistan a nuclear power and fastly becoming the 5th largest nation in the world. A unilateral military operation did occur there at the compound in Abbotobad  without their consent and is corroborated by tweets from locals on the scene at the time of the attack, the remains of the disabled Blackhawk copter, and the three dead bodies as well as bin Laden's remaining widow and 12 year old daughter.

When looked at rationally the official story stands perfectly to reason you see.

Hi danny, nice to see you again - long time .

First of all it's very easy to manipulate film and videos as long as they can't present a newspaper beside the person to confirm that this film is taken recently. It has happen many times that the news have used clips that has been filmed years earlier.

I do not neither think that Bin Laden was innocent to the 9/11 disaster. I am pretty sure he was behind the terror deed which killed so many innocent people, so why put the blame on Saddam and invade Iraq, like USA did first?

USA goverment just have to find a "legal" reason to annex Iraq - 9/11 became the first reason, since they interpreted 9/11 as a provocation and therefore a reason to launch war against Iraq. After that we have heard at least three other explanations why USA was "compel" to invade iraq.

Why? Saddam might have been one of the biggest assholes in history right after dickheads like Hitler, PolFfuckingPot, IdiBloodyAmin and Stalin among others but Saddam ruled also a country which  posesses the world third largest oil reserve and it was rather tough for USA to get a hold on Saddams oil, since USA and Saddam broke up with each other as a result of the war in Kuwait.

Afghanistan is, besides the large resourse with oil, gas, iron coal and litium which the country bear, an important spot from a military point of view. Saddam and Bin Laden was two excellent target to focus the public rage on, while our leaders in West systematical took over the control of the natural resources in the region.

Our leaders do what it takes to maintain our high standard of living on the expense of the civilian who lives in these countries.

USA's financial support to the founder (Hekmatyar) of the radical Islamic militant franction Hezb-e Islami are estimated alone to be $600 000 000. This **** was working close to bin Laden in the beginning of the 90's. He also recieved economical support from Saudi Arabia.

It has also been claimed that CIA gave him immunitie in purpose to support his opium and trafficking, which in turn paid his military fraction.

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Originally Posted by Emadur Rahman:
Nice to see you guys focusing on the real issues...

/sarcasm

This is pretty awesome though, you have to admit

"Someone should get to the bottom of that...and i know a guy who can do that; Donald Trump. He is here tonight! No one is prouder to put this matter to rest than Donald Trump...and that's because he can finally g back to focus on issues that matter...like, "did we fake the moonlandning, what really happened in Rosewell...and where are Biggie and Tupac?????"

Haha!! Brilliant!!

This is the best clip I have seen in a long time. I love the fact how everybody is laughing their behinds off out and Trump just sits there...trying to smile a little. Speak about public humiliation on the highest level. Maybe this will learn Trump to use the brain before he speaks next time.

Thanks for sharing - it made my day!

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In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

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Originally Posted by Lisa Engström:

Originally Posted by Emadur Rahman:
Nice to see you guys focusing on the real issues...

/sarcasm

This is pretty awesome though, you have to admit

"Someone should get to the bottom of that...and i know a guy who can do that; Donald Trump. He is here tonight! No one is prouder to put this matter to rest than Donald Trump...and that's because he can finally g back to focus on issues that matter...like, "did we fake the moonlandning, what really happened in Rosewell...and where are Biggie and Tupac?????"

Haha!! Brilliant!!

This is the best clip I have seen in a long time. I love the fact how everybody is laughing their behinds off out and Trump just sits there...trying to smile a little. Speak about public humiliation on the highest level. Maybe this will learn Trump to use the brain before he speaks next time.

Thanks for sharing - it made my day!

Before Donald Trump knew he was meant to be President he knew even better that his contract was up for renigotiations this summer


" And im tellin ya the excitemen dis whole ding is creatin my numbas are gona be  Uje when I sitdown at that table myfrend"

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Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:
In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

For 99% of the population our vote is the only thing keeping that one percent from having total control and it already has 99% of that control sofar.

Youre right, Obama does see whats going on. How could he not know exactly why Goldman Sachs backed him, and he did what they wanted him to do just like every other President facing every financial crisis  since 1914. Just like all of them he placed in key positions of the Treasury Dept Ex Goldman Sachs executives like Geitner and many many more all throughout the last nearly a hundred years, its like theres a govt. position open atGoldman Sachs not the votingbooth, although their positions are appointed.

Obama however unlike any other president can be accused of having policies that can appear Socialist for being so glaringly alternate from traditional Capitalistic theory. He went along like he should have new to the office,  but just wait till he gets his legs, he knows the U.S. constition better than any redneck ex-gover, ex-CEO, ex-actor ever thought existed.

Graduated Harvard Law Magnum Cum Laud (which they dont jus give away) and turned down a  six-figure starting salary at a major law firm to work as a community organizer driving a $2000 car. If given the time for oppurtunity he is going to make more new laws and major to changes o  some old  laws that are drasticly in favor more for the people instead of banks and businesses and they know it and are scared shitless, "But the Bush Tax cuts creates jobs", Really? Where? Ive only seen it increase bonus inthe face of layoffs. This President also told the US Chamber Of Commerce that "Profits should be shared evenly among all employees", but thats pure Commism.

The maldistribution of wealth in this country is even greater than it was in 29, but then during the Deppression pricess were lowered so they could be bought, giving up profit for neccessity, but thats Socialism,  and it was more profitable than it will be after the next crash because then our consumers will shift from shppers to  bands of hunters and gatheres bringing food back to the tribe.

The Tea Party, good hard working people wanting only whats right are completely duped by candidates spewing the correct FOXNEWS view and are baked by capitalist meklamoguls like Rupert Murdock and his friends he Koch brothers and other white knuckled clutching one percenters.

Glen Beck talks alot about the founding fathers but has nothing to say about the fact that Ben Franklin never patented the bi-focals or lightning rod, leaving them forever open for improvement because to The Right tht is wrong and  even Socialism, when its actually altruism.

The Ayn Rand adaptation "Atlas Shrugged" is advertied exclusively on FOXNEWS Channel and it asserts that altruism is counter to the survival of the strong where all the weak are to be discarded as a useless drain and that Beck so condescengly smug relayed to Bill ORielly that he saw instead of The Wedding, asif only the truest American should.

Rand and Darwin's theorie's are suitable only for the individual and must be expanded in a Democracy to include the body of the people as the individual and the greatest strength of that individual, ie. society, comess from working best together.

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:
In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

For 99% of the population our vote is the only thing keeping that one percent from having total control and it already has 99% of that control sofar.

Youre right, Obama does see whats going on. How could he not know exactly why Goldman Sachs backed him, and he did what they wanted him to do just like every other President facing every financial crisis  since 1914. Just like all of them he placed in key positions of the Treasury Dept Ex Goldman Sachs executives like Geitner and many many more all throughout the last nearly a hundred years, its like theres a govt. position open atGoldman Sachs not the votingbooth, although their positions are appointed.

Obama however unlike any other president can be accused of having policies that can appear Socialist for being so glaringly alternate from traditional Capitalistic theory. He went along like he should have new to the office,  but just wait till he gets his legs, he knows the U.S. constition better than any redneck ex-gover, ex-CEO, ex-actor ever thought existed.

Graduated Harvard Law Magnum Cum Laud (which they dont jus give away) and turned down a  six-figure starting salary at a major law firm to work as a community organizer driving a $2000 car. If given the time for oppurtunity he is going to make more new laws and major to changes o  some old  laws that are drasticly in favor more for the people instead of banks and businesses and they know it and are scared shitless, "But the Bush Tax cuts creates jobs", Really? Where? Ive only seen it increase bonus inthe face of layoffs. This President also told the US Chamber Of Commerce that "Profits should be shared evenly among all employees", but thats pure Commism.

The maldistribution of wealth in this country is even greater than it was in 29, but then during the Deppression pricess were lowered so they could be bought, giving up profit for neccessity, but thats Socialism,  and it was more profitable than it will be after the next crash because then our consumers will shift from shppers to  bands of hunters and gatheres bringing food back to the tribe.

The Tea Party, good hard working people wanting only whats right are completely duped by candidates spewing the correct FOXNEWS view and are baked by capitalist meklamoguls like Rupert Murdock and his friends he Koch brothers and other white knuckled clutching one percenters.

Glen Beck talks alot about the founding fathers but has nothing to say about the fact that Ben Franklin never patented the bi-focals or lightning rod, leaving them forever open for improvement because to The Right tht is wrong and  even Socialism, when its actually altruism.

The Ayn Rand adaptation "Atlas Shrugged" is advertied exclusively on FOXNEWS Channel and it asserts that altruism is counter to the survival of the strong where all the weak are to be discarded as a useless drain and that Beck so condescengly smug relayed to Bill ORielly that he saw instead of The Wedding, asif only the truest American should.

Rand and Darwin's theorie's are suitable only for the individual and must be expanded in a Democracy to include the body of the people as the individual and the greatest strength of that individual, ie. society, comess from working best together.

In response to your assertion about Obama, well.. I so hope that is true, my friend for I'd like for once, believe that 'someone' out there has a conscience and therefore relies on it heavily to make those life changing decisions in life. Man, I can't tell you how misanthropic I've grown over the last 10 years due to my observance of bastards overpowering the strong, the powerful taunting the weak with violence but yet punishing them with ideals in turn, etc., etc. Who knows, maybe Obama's bail out of Goldman and Sachs was his ace up the sleeve in lulling them into a false sense of security. I mean, as questionable as a decision that was maybe that was Obama's way of saying, "Alright, I'll give them what they want so that in the meantime they can't distract or discourage me from handling whatever else needs handling." Thinking about it now, I can only imagine how much of an ugly debacle that would have turned into had Obama decided against bailing out the banks and with the multitude of problems we have now, we don't have time to sit there and bicker, bicker, bicker..

In the meantime I'm not betting on being optimistic just yet.. until the minimum wage is drastically hired for minimal skills type wage earners in this country, the tuition of colleges is reduced so that everyone has equal opportunity to a fair, higher education, and the middle class is overall given a voice of their own then I'll be happy.

Overall, I have to say that I just don't know what to think anymore. Surely Fox news has always had a right wing, conservative agenda that anyone with even half of a brain would see but then it's like even some of the more moderate, more liberal/open minded outlets scare me too. I mean, I just find it ironic that now with Osama Bin Laden officially dead news outlets like MSNBC for example, are all like, "**** yeah! He's dead! Way to go troops, America **** YEAH!" etc, etc. However I clearly recall those same mouthpieces vehemently opposed to our troops being in Afghanistan or what they perceived to be fighting a "useless war" so to speak. But since they got Osama during Obama's presidency I can't help but wonder if this sudden surge of patriotism is being milked just to spark much needed momentum for his possible 2nd term in office, nothing more? Ehh.. I dunno anymore..

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Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:
In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

For 99% of the population our vote is the only thing keeping that one percent from having total control and it already has 99% of that control sofar.

Youre right, Obama does see whats going on. How could he not know exactly why Goldman Sachs backed him, and he did what they wanted him to do just like every other President facing every financial crisis  since 1914. Just like all of them he placed in key positions of the Treasury Dept Ex Goldman Sachs executives like Geitner and many many more all throughout the last nearly a hundred years, its like theres a govt. position open atGoldman Sachs not the votingbooth, although their positions are appointed.

Obama however unlike any other president can be accused of having policies that can appear Socialist for being so glaringly alternate from traditional Capitalistic theory. He went along like he should have new to the office,  but just wait till he gets his legs, he knows the U.S. constition better than any redneck ex-gover, ex-CEO, ex-actor ever thought existed.

Graduated Harvard Law Magnum Cum Laud (which they dont jus give away) and turned down a  six-figure starting salary at a major law firm to work as a community organizer driving a $2000 car. If given the time for oppurtunity he is going to make more new laws and major to changes o  some old  laws that are drasticly in favor more for the people instead of banks and businesses and they know it and are scared shitless, "But the Bush Tax cuts creates jobs", Really? Where? Ive only seen it increase bonus inthe face of layoffs. This President also told the US Chamber Of Commerce that "Profits should be shared evenly among all employees", but thats pure Commism.

The maldistribution of wealth in this country is even greater than it was in 29, but then during the Deppression pricess were lowered so they could be bought, giving up profit for neccessity, but thats Socialism,  and it was more profitable than it will be after the next crash because then our consumers will shift from shppers to  bands of hunters and gatheres bringing food back to the tribe.

The Tea Party, good hard working people wanting only whats right are completely duped by candidates spewing the correct FOXNEWS view and are baked by capitalist meklamoguls like Rupert Murdock and his friends he Koch brothers and other white knuckled clutching one percenters.

Glen Beck talks alot about the founding fathers but has nothing to say about the fact that Ben Franklin never patented the bi-focals or lightning rod, leaving them forever open for improvement because to The Right tht is wrong and  even Socialism, when its actually altruism.

The Ayn Rand adaptation "Atlas Shrugged" is advertied exclusively on FOXNEWS Channel and it asserts that altruism is counter to the survival of the strong where all the weak are to be discarded as a useless drain and that Beck so condescengly smug relayed to Bill ORielly that he saw instead of The Wedding, asif only the truest American should.

Rand and Darwin's theorie's are suitable only for the individual and must be expanded in a Democracy to include the body of the people as the individual and the greatest strength of that individual, ie. society, comess from working best together.

In response to your assertion about Obama, well.. I so hope that is true, my friend for I'd like for once, believe that 'someone' out there has a conscience and therefore relies on it heavily to make those life changing decisions in life. Man, I can't tell you how misanthropic I've grown over the last 10 years due to my observance of bastards overpowering the strong, the powerful taunting the weak with violence but yet punishing them with ideals in turn, etc., etc. Who knows, maybe Obama's bail out of Goldman and Sachs was his ace up the sleeve in lulling them into a false sense of security. I mean, as questionable as a decision that was maybe that was Obama's way of saying, "Alright, I'll give them what they want so that in the meantime they can't distract or discourage me from handling whatever else needs handling." Thinking about it now, I can only imagine how much of an ugly debacle that would have turned into had Obama decided against bailing out the banks and with the multitude of problems we have now, we don't have time to sit there and bicker, bicker, bicker..

In the meantime I'm not betting on being optimistic just yet.. until the minimum wage is drastically hired for minimal skills type wage earners in this country, the tuition of colleges is reduced so that everyone has equal opportunity to a fair, higher education, and the middle class is overall given a voice of their own then I'll be happy.

Overall, I have to say that I just don't know what to think anymore. Surely Fox news has always had a right wing, conservative agenda that anyone with even half of a brain would see but then it's like even some of the more moderate, more liberal/open minded outlets scare me too. I mean, I just find it ironic that now with Osama Bin Laden officially dead news outlets like MSNBC for example, are all like, "**** yeah! He's dead! Way to go troops, America **** YEAH!" etc, etc. However I clearly recall those same mouthpieces vehemently opposed to our troops being in Afghanistan or what they perceived to be fighting a "useless war" so to speak. But since they got Osama during Obama's presidency I can't help but wonder if this sudden surge of patriotism is being milked just to spark much needed momentum for his possible 2nd term in office, nothing more? Ehh.. I dunno anymore..

I omly watch FOX and CNN, one for a view of the other side and the other for the uneditorialized descrption of events, MSNBC is too gushy and cute, CNN's only drawback is that it doesnt have the afiliates to bring in all the stories they report so they get scooped by local stations alot, but for the first time Obama has done something that FOX cant spin in any other light, May 1, 2011 is an indisputably great day for America ifonly in the sence of moral.

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Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:
In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

For 99% of the population our vote is the only thing keeping that one percent from having total control and it already has 99% of that control sofar.

Youre right, Obama does see whats going on. How could he not know exactly why Goldman Sachs backed him, and he did what they wanted him to do just like every other President facing every financial crisis  since 1914. Just like all of them he placed in key positions of the Treasury Dept Ex Goldman Sachs executives like Geitner and many many more all throughout the last nearly a hundred years, its like theres a govt. position open atGoldman Sachs not the votingbooth, although their positions are appointed.

Obama however unlike any other president can be accused of having policies that can appear Socialist for being so glaringly alternate from traditional Capitalistic theory. He went along like he should have new to the office,  but just wait till he gets his legs, he knows the U.S. constition better than any redneck ex-gover, ex-CEO, ex-actor ever thought existed.

Graduated Harvard Law Magnum Cum Laud (which they dont jus give away) and turned down a  six-figure starting salary at a major law firm to work as a community organizer driving a $2000 car. If given the time for oppurtunity he is going to make more new laws and major to changes o  some old  laws that are drasticly in favor more for the people instead of banks and businesses and they know it and are scared shitless, "But the Bush Tax cuts creates jobs", Really? Where? Ive only seen it increase bonus inthe face of layoffs. This President also told the US Chamber Of Commerce that "Profits should be shared evenly among all employees", but thats pure Commism.

The maldistribution of wealth in this country is even greater than it was in 29, but then during the Deppression pricess were lowered so they could be bought, giving up profit for neccessity, but thats Socialism,  and it was more profitable than it will be after the next crash because then our consumers will shift from shppers to  bands of hunters and gatheres bringing food back to the tribe.

The Tea Party, good hard working people wanting only whats right are completely duped by candidates spewing the correct FOXNEWS view and are baked by capitalist meklamoguls like Rupert Murdock and his friends he Koch brothers and other white knuckled clutching one percenters.

Glen Beck talks alot about the founding fathers but has nothing to say about the fact that Ben Franklin never patented the bi-focals or lightning rod, leaving them forever open for improvement because to The Right tht is wrong and  even Socialism, when its actually altruism.

The Ayn Rand adaptation "Atlas Shrugged" is advertied exclusively on FOXNEWS Channel and it asserts that altruism is counter to the survival of the strong where all the weak are to be discarded as a useless drain and that Beck so condescengly smug relayed to Bill ORielly that he saw instead of The Wedding, asif only the truest American should.

Rand and Darwin's theorie's are suitable only for the individual and must be expanded in a Democracy to include the body of the people as the individual and the greatest strength of that individual, ie. society, comess from working best together.

In response to your assertion about Obama, well.. I so hope that is true, my friend for I'd like for once, believe that 'someone' out there has a conscience and therefore relies on it heavily to make those life changing decisions in life. Man, I can't tell you how misanthropic I've grown over the last 10 years due to my observance of bastards overpowering the strong, the powerful taunting the weak with violence but yet punishing them with ideals in turn, etc., etc. Who knows, maybe Obama's bail out of Goldman and Sachs was his ace up the sleeve in lulling them into a false sense of security. I mean, as questionable as a decision that was maybe that was Obama's way of saying, "Alright, I'll give them what they want so that in the meantime they can't distract or discourage me from handling whatever else needs handling." Thinking about it now, I can only imagine how much of an ugly debacle that would have turned into had Obama decided against bailing out the banks and with the multitude of problems we have now, we don't have time to sit there and bicker, bicker, bicker..

In the meantime I'm not betting on being optimistic just yet.. until the minimum wage is drastically hired for minimal skills type wage earners in this country, the tuition of colleges is reduced so that everyone has equal opportunity to a fair, higher education, and the middle class is overall given a voice of their own then I'll be happy.

Overall, I have to say that I just don't know what to think anymore. Surely Fox news has always had a right wing, conservative agenda that anyone with even half of a brain would see but then it's like even some of the more moderate, more liberal/open minded outlets scare me too. I mean, I just find it ironic that now with Osama Bin Laden officially dead news outlets like MSNBC for example, are all like, "**** yeah! He's dead! Way to go troops, America **** YEAH!" etc, etc. However I clearly recall those same mouthpieces vehemently opposed to our troops being in Afghanistan or what they perceived to be fighting a "useless war" so to speak. But since they got Osama during Obama's presidency I can't help but wonder if this sudden surge of patriotism is being milked just to spark much needed momentum for his possible 2nd term in office, nothing more? Ehh.. I dunno anymore..

I omly watch FOX and CNN, one for a view of the other side and the other for the uneditorialized descrption of events, MSNBC is too gushy and cute, CNN's only drawback is that it doesnt have the afiliates to bring in all the stories they report so they get scooped by local stations alot, but for the first time Obama has done something that FOX cant spin in any other light, May 1, 2011 is an indisputably great day for America ifonly in the sence of moral.

Indeed. Being a native of NYC and therefore being there when 9/11 actually occurred myself, I have to admit that was the one night I felt I had to roll up a nice 'fattie' which I gladly I did too. The news that evening made the high that much more enjoyable. And you have to understand it takes A LOT for me to get excited and/or be moved by anything these days. While I still have my fears and doubts lingering in the back of my mind still, I wouldn't mind Obama being in office a second term. Heck, I like him a lot more than I ever did Clinton, but then again I found Clinton to be a joke, to be honest. In his second term then, what he needs to do is try and push the legalization issue. Granted, it's weed but the politicos need to understand that if they want to get out of this financial mess we're in, you have to legalize and tax it and they'll make a nice hefty surplus from it. Though I have to admit I am not holding my breath for that.

My only concern for now is to hopefully see that Obama improves the public education in this country because right now, the schools are a joke. And frankly I am getting real sick and tired of reading blogs and posts on message boards full of people that can't differentiate between a simple use of "your" and "you're."  That's really **** sad!

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Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:

Originally Posted by Danny Aston:

Originally Posted by Robert Aloi:
In response to everything that's been discussed politically in this thread thus far, what bothers me most about the U.S. govt and it's foreign policy is that basically it operates like the Sicilian/Italian mafia.. works with other criminal organizations, justifies murder and other questionable means in order to maintain some sense of order. Just the very fact that our govt. allowed some of the most notorious drug traffickers in other foreign nations to ship their product here alone is enough reason for tax paying citizens to abstain from voting, period! Obama himself knows the deal and is aware that there's a web of corruption that would take more than years to weed out and so he, himself is most likely simply accepting it for what it is working around that. That said, I have to wonder does voting really work? And if so, does it mean that he who is in power will absolutely be in power.. that is, when you have a congress and a senate to veto bills that he passes along to them?

The bottom line is, things do change but I like to think that the more things change the more they stay the same..

For 99% of the population our vote is the only thing keeping that one percent from having total control and it already has 99% of that control sofar.

Youre right, Obama does see whats going on. How could he not know exactly why Goldman Sachs backed him, and he did what they wanted him to do just like every other President facing every financial crisis  since 1914. Just like all of them he placed in key positions of the Treasury Dept Ex Goldman Sachs executives like Geitner and many many more all throughout the last nearly a hundred years, its like theres a govt. position open atGoldman Sachs not the votingbooth, although their positions are appointed.

Obama however unlike any other president can be accused of having policies that can appear Socialist for being so glaringly alternate from traditional Capitalistic theory. He went along like he should have new to the office,  but just wait till he gets his legs, he knows the U.S. constition better than any redneck ex-gover, ex-CEO, ex-actor ever thought existed.

Graduated Harvard Law Magnum Cum Laud (which they dont jus give away) and turned down a  six-figure starting salary at a major law firm to work as a community organizer driving a $2000 car. If given the time for oppurtunity he is going to make more new laws and major to changes o  some old  laws that are drasticly in favor more for the people instead of banks and businesses and they know it and are scared shitless, "But the Bush Tax cuts creates jobs", Really? Where? Ive only seen it increase bonus inthe face of layoffs. This President also told the US Chamber Of Commerce that "Profits should be shared evenly among all employees", but thats pure Commism.

The maldistribution of wealth in this country is even greater than it was in 29, but then during the Deppression pricess were lowered so they could be bought, giving up profit for neccessity, but thats Socialism,  and it was more profitable than it will be after the next crash because then our consumers will shift from shppers to  bands of hunters and gatheres bringing food back to the tribe.

The Tea Party, good hard working people wanting only whats right are completely duped by candidates spewing the correct FOXNEWS view and are baked by capitalist meklamoguls like Rupert Murdock and his friends he Koch brothers and other white knuckled clutching one percenters.

Glen Beck talks alot about the founding fathers but has nothing to say about the fact that Ben Franklin never patented the bi-focals or lightning rod, leaving them forever open for improvement because to The Right tht is wrong and  even Socialism, when its actually altruism.

The Ayn Rand adaptation "Atlas Shrugged" is advertied exclusively on FOXNEWS Channel and it asserts that altruism is counter to the survival of the strong where all the weak are to be discarded as a useless drain and that Beck so condescengly smug relayed to Bill ORielly that he saw instead of The Wedding, asif only the truest American should.

Rand and Darwin's theorie's are suitable only for the individual and must be expanded in a Democracy to include the body of the people as the individual and the greatest strength of that individual, ie. society, comess from working best together.

In response to your assertion about Obama, well.. I so hope that is true, my friend for I'd like for once, believe that 'someone' out there has a conscience and therefore relies on it heavily to make those life changing decisions in life. Man, I can't tell you how misanthropic I've grown over the last 10 years due to my observance of bastards overpowering the strong, the powerful taunting the weak with violence but yet punishing them with ideals in turn, etc., etc. Who knows, maybe Obama's bail out of Goldman and Sachs was his ace up the sleeve in lulling them into a false sense of security. I mean, as questionable as a decision that was maybe that was Obama's way of saying, "Alright, I'll give them what they want so that in the meantime they can't distract or discourage me from handling whatever else needs handling." Thinking about it now, I can only imagine how much of an ugly debacle that would have turned into had Obama decided against bailing out the banks and with the multitude of problems we have now, we don't have time to sit there and bicker, bicker, bicker..

In the meantime I'm not betting on being optimistic just yet.. until the minimum wage is drastically hired for minimal skills type wage earners in this country, the tuition of colleges is reduced so that everyone has equal opportunity to a fair, higher education, and the middle class is overall given a voice of their own then I'll be happy.

Overall, I have to say that I just don't know what to think anymore. Surely Fox news has always had a right wing, conservative agenda that anyone with even half of a brain would see but then it's like even some of the more moderate, more liberal/open minded outlets scare me too. I mean, I just find it ironic that now with Osama Bin Laden officially dead news outlets like MSNBC for example, are all like, "**** yeah! He's dead! Way to go troops, America **** YEAH!" etc, etc. However I clearly recall those same mouthpieces vehemently opposed to our troops being in Afghanistan or what they perceived to be fighting a "useless war" so to speak. But since they got Osama during Obama's presidency I can't help but wonder if this sudden surge of patriotism is being milked just to spark much needed momentum for his possible 2nd term in office, nothing more? Ehh.. I dunno anymore..

I omly watch FOX and CNN, one for a view of the other side and the other for the uneditorialized descrption of events, MSNBC is too gushy and cute, CNN's only drawback is that it doesnt have the afiliates to bring in all the stories they report so they get scooped by local stations alot, but for the first time Obama has done something that FOX cant spin in any other light, May 1, 2011 is an indisputably great day for America ifonly in the sence of moral.

And frankly I am getting real sick and tired of reading blogs and posts on message boards full of people that can't differentiate between a simple use of "your" and "you're."  That's really **** sad!

No **** ****, I hate that! Misuse of "Their" "they're" and "there" too.

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