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I agree with you Donna.

So one more thing pointing to the absurdity of these claims and the additional, senseless victimization.  Then I'm done ... I'll go back to mourning the horrific tragedy of it all.


This happens to be from the DailyKos.  Notice the emphases.

So if we are to entertain this kind of vile stuff, then apparently we should expect a new conspiracy group because it looks like it could've been an "inside job."



You'd better confirm it out quick before they pull it down:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568/

Which we all know would be an indication of guilt.


In fact, the DailyKos has already pulled down another article where the same author said "Gabrielle Giffords is Dead to Me."

Which we all know is also an indication of guilt.

Right?

(hanging head down and shaking it)

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RIP to those innocent lives lost.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/thumbnail-sketches-of-those-800628.html


To me, the key here is the mental illness of this young man, not the politics ... delusional, paranoid and psychotic.   He could have aimed at anyone at anytime ... classmates thought him odd ... he was basically a time bomb ... he just unfortunately choose an "easy" place with lots of targets.  It's likely nothing really pushed him over the edge ... which is as scary as scary can be, to me.

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As I have already said, I don't think the focus should be on anything but the tragedy, BUT I did find this article on MSNBC.com that tells people to stop focusing on rumors and pay attention to what really happened that I think might be helpful:

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2011/01/shootings-bring-out-worst-of-web-rumor-mill.html

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Originally Posted by Donna Brown:


Then don't argue about it.  

sorry, but that's not how i operate. when i see something wrong, i'm going to address it. this isn't just some rah-rah team debate. there is only one group trying to make political end-roads out of this, and frankly it's disgusting. as you said, it takes away from the real tragedy, and i feel sorry for all the victims and their families, that mere moments after the shooting, an entire national issue has been made out of their suffering. and of course it was easy to see it coming. i give obama credit for trying to bring the country together, but it's too late. it's already been politicized. i can't even express how disappointed, upset, and sad this makes me. what has occurred after the shooting only magnifies the calamity.

with that said, though, i don't have much else to add, so i suppose i am done arguing about it.

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what i want to know is, how can we as a society help prevent this? every time some nutjob like this does what they do, you always hear about all the warning signs preceding their act of violence. this case is no different. i'm sure you've all heard about his problems at college, and read some of the e-mails from his classmates. but unless someone actually does something like this, there's not much anyone can do legally to prevent it. so i guess, is there anything we can do at all? how do we get people help before lives are lost?

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Originally Posted by Teri Lacy:



To me, the key here is the mental illness of this young man, not the politics ... delusional, paranoid and psychotic.   He could have aimed at anyone at anytime ... classmates thought him odd ... he was basically a time bomb ... he just unfortunately choose an "easy" place with lots of targets.  It's likely nothing really pushed him over the edge ... which is as scary as scary can be, to me.

couldn't agree more.

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and miss. giffords is certainly a fighter.

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This is the kind of unity we need at such a tragic time:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/arizonans-rally-prevent-westboro-church-disruption-shooting-victims-funerals/

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Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
This is the kind of unity we need at such a tragic time:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/arizonans-rally-prevent-westboro-church-disruption-shooting-victims-funerals/

frickin whackos

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Originally Posted by Jann Morrison Kostka:

Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
This is the kind of unity we need at such a tragic time:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/arizonans-rally-prevent-westboro-church-disruption-shooting-victims-funerals/

frickin whackos

ticks me off too.

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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:

Originally Posted by Jann Morrison Kostka:

Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
This is the kind of unity we need at such a tragic time:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/arizonans-rally-prevent-westboro-church-disruption-shooting-victims-funerals/

frickin whackos

ticks me off too.

Always makes me embarrassed to be a Kansan.  Having had very personal experience with the Phelps, I just shake my head and move on ... trying to squelch some awfully bad memories.

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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
what i want to know is, how can we as a society help prevent this? every time some nutjob like this does what they do, you always hear about all the warning signs preceding their act of violence. this case is no different. i'm sure you've all heard about his problems at college, and read some of the e-mails from his classmates. but unless someone actually does something like this, there's not much anyone can do legally to prevent it. so i guess, is there anything we can do at all? how do we get people help before lives are lost?

Wells seems folks' civil "rights" seem to protect where and what a person can do about such things. Seems their actions have to escalate to tragedy before most say oh yeah, we should have done something.

My question is, is a person born like this ?  Or has something happened along the way to turn them into such monsters ?  If it is that someone is born like this, not really sure what can be done.  If it's something happening along the way, those who were involved in the events of raising these lunatics needs to self evaluate and change their ways of doing things.    Think that's gonna happen ?  Doubt it ... it's sort of like being raised a Phelps ... it would not surprise me if one of their offspring did something like that.   Think they are going to change their ways ?  I think all we can do is watch out for each other ... and pray !

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who are the phelps?

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this REALLY takes the cake.


Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT, today sent out a fundraising email to supporters in which he includes his analysis of the Arizona shootings that ties the tragedy to “right-wing reactionaries.”

“This horrendous act of violence is not some kind of strange aberration for this area where, it appears, threats and acts of violence are part of the political climate,” Sanders said in his letter. “Nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.”

The Vermont senator, who caucuses with Democrats, cited past Arizona incidents such as vandalism at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ district office after the health care reform vote and Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” map, as well as other outbreaks of violence like when a bullet was shot into Rep. Raul Grijalva’s office.

"In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?” asks Sanders. “Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

“My colleague, Senator John McCain, issued a very strong statement after the shooting in which he condemned the perpetrator of the attack. I commend him for that. But I believe Senator McCain and other Arizona Republicans need to do more,” Sanders said. “As the elder statesman of Arizona politics McCain needs to stand up and denounce the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the right-wing and exert his influence to create a civil political environment in his state.”

He added that "the Republican Party, big money corporate interests and right-wing organizations will vigorously oppose me" in his bid for a second term.

He thanked supporters for contributions already sent and added, "There is no question but that your financial support now and in the future is much appreciated."

Brian Walsh, spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee in Washington, said Sanders was trying to "raise campaign money off the murder of six Americans."

Sanders said in his letter that the nation's political climate had been damaged by a "right-wing media echo chamber" that is "transmitting a reactionary world view to the tens of millions of millions of Americans who watch or listen to them every day."

In a separate statement, state Republican Chairman Steve Larrabee said: "By using this tragedy to demonize those he disagrees with, the Senator is doing exactly what he pretends to deplore."

Sanders' office issued a statement saying the letter covered a number of issues facing the country.


shame on you bernie sanders! shame on you!

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and nobody has to respond to this, obviously, but i do feel it needs to be put out there. if this doesn't put some of this mess to rest, i don't know what will.

loughner's best friend, zach osler, told ABC news today that, " [loughner]  did not watch TV, he disliked the news, he didn't listen to political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he wasn't on the right."

and check this out.

Federal investigators found the words "Die Cops" and "Die ****" scrawled on a letter from U.S. congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords's office in the home of the shooting suspect, a sheriff's department official said Tuesday night.

Captain Chris Nanos of the Pima County Sheriff's Department was briefed on the findings of a search of the suspect's ranch-style house where he lives with his parents. Capt. Nanos said that the suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, had also referenced an assassination in handwritten notes on the letter.

The letter, which dated from 2007, was a form document sent by Ms. Giffords's staff to thank Mr. Loughner for attending one of her events. "He obviously kept the letter for a long time," Capt. Nanos said.


that's right, 2007. there's the proof that all the fallout from this tragedy has been completely fabricated, and without warrant. i don't post this to be divisive, just to put the  facts out there.