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Of the two of us, I don't think it's me who's ignored the laws of physics.

The video's clearly show how fast the towers fell relative to free-falling debris and they're not even close to being comparable.  One does not need a couple of equations to see it nor to try to deny that what happened ... happened.

There was no free-fall.

Occam's Razor.

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scott Near free fall and only by a second or two. You are ignoring the issue. Buildings can't fall into themselves, they fall to the side. Only buildings that fall via controlled demolition can do that. Violates the law of conservation of energy. You are ignoring this law.

shawn here is the link I promised http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

teri it is not the government, it is elements in the government that did this.

I don't care how you reason it, you can't get by the fact that the buildings fell by controlled demolition. The video evidence is there and the forensic evidence is there.

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Originally Posted by Whitney Stocker:
scott Near free fall and only by a second or two. You are ignoring the issue. Buildings can't fall into themselves, they fall to the side. Only buildings that fall via controlled demolition can do that. Violates the law of conservation of energy. You are ignoring this law.

shawn here is the link I promised http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

teri it is not the government, it is elements in the government that did this.

I don't care how you reason it, you can't get by the fact that the buildings fell by controlled demolition. The video evidence is there and the forensic evidence is there.

Now that we've dispatched the "free fall" bunk, the only laws that are being violated are the laws of reality.

When a building "falls into itself by controlled demolition" it doesn't knock other **** down (e.g. other buildings) ... that is ... unless the Evil Boosh I, the Evil Clinton, the Evil Boosh II, and the Evil Obama planned to knock down other buildings to fool us!



Not exactly a "falls into itself by controlled demolition" footprint.

Occam's Razor

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You have only dispatched it in your mind scott who said anything about footprint? Explain to me how a buildings fall into itself? Explain to me how it could do so so fast? Explain to me the the presence of nonothermite in the dust? Did you bother to look at my video showing the free fall of tower 7?

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Originally Posted by Whitney Stocker:
You have only dispatched it in your mind scott who said anything about footprint? Explain to me how a buildings fall into itself? Explain to me how it could do so so fast? Explain to me the the presence of nonothermite in the dust? Did you bother to look at my video showing the free fall of tower 7?

What?  Now we're back onto free-fall?

Like the free-fall bunk, I've heard the "fell into it's footprint" drone from conspiracy (word excluded)'s ad nauseum.

And "nonothermite" ... or "thermite" ... or "thermate" ... whatever you want to call it, did not cause the collapse of the WTC.

Just more conspiracy bunk.

A pissed-off Arab orchestrated what happened on 9/11.  Two jets hit the WTC and they fell as a result.


P.S.  Disclaimer ... I am not a walker, a truther, a birther, a racer, nor a (the latest conspiracy) deather.

And yes, Elvis is also dead.

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Originally Posted by Teri Lacy:

Originally Posted by Teri Lacy:
Okay, let's assume for a moment the government perpetuated this huge tragic event upon it's citizens ... this master plan to, I don't know what the purpose ... kill, maim, devastate Americans from all walks of life.  Some victims even employed by this evil group.  And they are ALL great actors and faked all the heartache and pain they shared with us and that was felt back on and around 9/11.  And not a one of the group responsible for this master plan is coming forward claiming it or telling "the truth" ?  

That is more difficult for me to believe than any of the scientific conundrums the conspiracy theorist put out there.

Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Heck, not only would Obama have to be part of the conspiracy but we've conveniently forgotten that Bin Laden bombed the WTC in February, 1993.  Since Bill Clinton was President, he'd have to be part of the conspiracy, too.  But then, so would George H Bush because of the timing.

Now we have to add Obama. The administrations of four Presidents ... yeah ... sure!

Exactly ...
Heck ... folks couldn't even keep their mouths shut that ole Bill got a BJ ... how they gonna keep this one under the lid ?

Wait, didn't that kinda require an open mouth?

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Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
And yes, Elvis is also dead.

I could have sworn I saw Elvis and Bigfoot doing a duet together a few weeks ago

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Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:

Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
And yes, Elvis is also dead.

I could have sworn I saw Elvis and Bigfoot doing a duet together a few weeks ago

And here's video's of the guy who died after he made his last video in 2001/2002 ... except he made at least one of them was made in 2010.

Of course ... this has to be faked as well ... part of a conspiracy that now extends to four Presidential Administrations and Al Jazeera!

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Anywho, after watching the videos, I still feel that the buildings fell from planned demolitions. But without more proof of that, combined with disproof that the planes alone caused it, I simply rest on it being my opinion - not fact. And if it was actually planned demolitions, then I couldn't even being to opine who could have been responsible. But what does seem proven was that terrorists hijacked the planes and coordinated their being flown into the buildings.

But one thing does come to mind regarding the pancake collapse thing. Some time ago i think there was a youtube video describing how each floor of the buildings more or less hung on the vertical steel framing. In that sense, I could imagine the pancake collapsing effect. But, I cannot forget the images I saw of the steel supports with diagonal cuts in them that very much look like steel supports that have been strategically cut for planned demolitions. The idea of that having been a coincidence doesn't seem likely to me.

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Originally Posted by Scott Terry:

Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:

Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
And yes, Elvis is also dead.

I could have sworn I saw Elvis and Bigfoot doing a duet together a few weeks ago

And here's video's of the guy who died after he made his last video in 2001/2002 ... except he made at least one of them was made in 2010.

Of course ... this has to be faked as well ... part of a conspiracy that now extends to four Presidential Administrations and Al Jazeera!

Yea, but but but, if OBL was killed years ago and all these videos are fakes, then wouldn't it make sense that more fakes would arise? I haven't seen any yet, but if Bigfoot don't stop raiding my fridge, I'm calling Bruce Lee!

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Originally Posted by Whitney Stocker:
scott Near free fall and only by a second or two. You are ignoring the issue. Buildings can't fall into themselves, they fall to the side. Only buildings that fall via controlled demolition can do that. Violates the law of conservation of energy. You are ignoring this law.

shawn here is the link I promised http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

teri it is not the government, it is elements in the government that did this.

I don't care how you reason it, you can't get by the fact that the buildings fell by controlled demolition. The video evidence is there and the forensic evidence is there.

I couldn't get the link to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:

But one thing does come to mind regarding the pancake collapse thing. Some time ago i think there was a youtube video describing how each floor of the buildings more or less hung on the vertical steel framing. In that sense, I could imagine the pancake collapsing effect. But, I cannot forget the images I saw of the steel supports with diagonal cuts in them that very much look like steel supports that have been strategically cut for planned demolitions. The idea of that having been a coincidence doesn't seem likely to me.

The twin towers had a core structure and an exoskeleton.

And yes, you did see steel supports that had been cut.  They were no coincidence.

But there's also a more rational reason regarding why they were that way.  And it doesn't require thermite.  It's so simple that it should embarrass the conspiracy theorists.



Occam's Razor

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Originally Posted by Scott Terry:

Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:

But one thing does come to mind regarding the pancake collapse thing. Some time ago i think there was a youtube video describing how each floor of the buildings more or less hung on the vertical steel framing. In that sense, I could imagine the pancake collapsing effect. But, I cannot forget the images I saw of the steel supports with diagonal cuts in them that very much look like steel supports that have been strategically cut for planned demolitions. The idea of that having been a coincidence doesn't seem likely to me.

The twin towers had a core structure and an exoskeleton.

And yes, you did see steel supports that had been cut.  They were no coincidence.

But there's also a more rational reason regarding why they were that way.  And it doesn't require thermite.  It's so simple that it should embarrass the conspiracy theorists.



Occam's Razor

I'm having bad luck finding it now. But the video I saw a few years ago looked like it was shot before cleanup began. And in the position it was in, it looked a little too surrounded in rubble to looking like part of a cleanup operation yet. But I remain open to more and more explanations or possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:

I'm having bad luck finding it now. But the video I saw a few years ago looked like it was shot before cleanup began. And in the position it was in, it looked a little too surrounded in rubble to looking like part of a cleanup operation yet. But I remain open to more and more explanations or possibilities.

If you find it, post it.

In the meantime, here's an excerpt from a dated "Time" magazine article.  (And "Time" was no friend of George Bush.)

"There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting ...

... But there is no event so plain and clear that a determined human being can't find ambiguity in it. And as divisive as they are, conspiracy theories are part of the process by which Americans deal with traumatic public events like Sept. 11. Conspiracy theories form around them like scar tissue. In a curious way, they're an American form of national mourning. They'll be with us as long as we fear lone gunmen, and feel the pain of losses like the one we suffered on Sept. 11, and as long as the past, even the immediate past, is ultimately unknowable. That is to say, forever.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-3,00.html#ixzz1Lys66hIi