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10/06/2011 4:30 am

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So, Sarah Palin has finally come out and admitted what everyone else probably figured out months ago, that she's not running for president. Does this actually change anything really, or is she just trying to keep in the public eye with a view to either getting picked up on the eventual ticket as VP (again), or getting another reality TV show?

Bad luck for her as well picking the day Steve Jobs died for the announcement, would have made a lot more headlines otherwise... She's not even the headliner on fox news!
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10/06/2011 10:27 am

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1) Any of us could have told you that, she's nolonger relevant.  The GOP passed her bye over the summer.  Those who donated to her PAC must feel silly.  Think about all the political money she used for that trans-america vacation.

2) RIP Steve Jobs.  He may have been known as one of the worst bosses, but the innovations at Apple under his stewardship (from the curser/mouse computer interface to the first major MP3 player to touch screen smart phones to the first popular tablet computer) revolutionized life across the planet.  Very few people are fortunate enough to have such a profound positive effect on the world.  He and his talents will be missed.  (A brief obituary from a life long Mac user, appropriately typed on a MacBook).
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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:
1) Any of us could have told you that, she's nolonger relevant.  The GOP passed her bye over the summer.  



Well, seems no-one bothered telling her she wasn't relevant any more - or the ppl that kept turning out to her rallies. Pretty much knew she was a no-hoper for the nomination, but thought she'd at least go in and split the crazy vote so that a slightly-less-than-whacko nominee might get it.....


2) RIP Steve Jobs.  He may have been known as one of the worst bosses, but the innovations at Apple under his stewardship (from the curser/mouse computer interface to the first major MP3 player to touch screen smart phones to the first popular tablet computer) revolutionized life across the planet.  Very few people are fortunate enough to have such a profound positive effect on the world.  He and his talents will be missed.  (A brief obituary from a life long Mac user, appropriately typed on a MacBook).



Ah you mean the cursor/mouse computer interface he stole from Zerox PARC? :-P

Have never been an apple fan, the only apple device I've ever owned is my iPhone. Always thought apple gear was overpriced and overhyped for what you actually got, and owning an apple computer was more like joining a cult than anything else. Jobs was a game-changer though.  


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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:


2) RIP Steve Jobs.  He may have been known as one of the worst bosses, but the innovations at Apple under his stewardship (from the curser/mouse computer interface to the first major MP3 player to touch screen smart phones to the first popular tablet computer) revolutionized life across the planet.  Very few people are fortunate enough to have such a profound positive effect on the world.  He and his talents will be missed.  (A brief obituary from a life long Mac user, appropriately typed on a MacBook).



I honestly don't know much about the history of Apple and Microsoft, but if everything used today was invented in Jobs' mind and Apple, then why was Bill Gates the richest man in the world for a time. What did Microsoft have over Apple?
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Bill Gates used to work for Apple.  He did some work for them (I forget what) in exchange for the rights to use the visual interface (ie like we have now, not DOS) for his own OS.  The reason he is richer is because he created a non-platform specific OS and sold it to several companies for cheap (that is, he created a lower end product that was more affordable and more widely distributed).  Moreover, Job's genius wasn't in inventing (his colleges did that), but rather predicting market trends and consumer demand.  That said, Bill Gates is obviously a very bright man who has contributed in his own ways.
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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-****-he-was-doing,26268/ :-P



lol that's funny ****. I had idea Obama was so direct. We need more presidents like that
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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Well, seems no-one bothered telling her she wasn't relevant any more - or the ppl that kept turning out to her rallies. Pretty much knew she was a no-hoper for the nomination, but thought she'd at least go in and split the crazy vote so that a slightly-less-than-whacko nominee might get it.....


She had a lot of momentum during her 'bus tour' last summer, but I'm glad she decided not to run.  (Or maybe it was decided for her?).  She makes decent enough speeches and has a large (almost fanatical) following.  But she quit the only real job she ever had when the going got tough.  She'd have split the GOP vote and that would have hurt the party.

Just goes to show that having a large following doesnt always mean you are the best person for the job.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Well, seems no-one bothered telling her she wasn't relevant any more - or the ppl that kept turning out to her rallies. Pretty much knew she was a no-hoper for the nomination, but thought she'd at least go in and split the crazy vote so that a slightly-less-than-whacko nominee might get it.....


She had a lot of momentum during her 'bus tour' last summer, but I'm glad she decided not to run.  (Or maybe it was decided for her?).  She makes decent enough speeches and has a large (almost fanatical) following.  But she quit the only real job she ever had when the going got tough.  She'd have split the GOP vote and that would have hurt the party.

Just goes to show that having a large following doesnt always mean you are the best person for the job.



That and the fact she is the main reason McCain lost.  Originally McCain appealed to us moderates, but then he went churchy and appointed that half-wit to try to appeal more to the far right.  Thats when most moderates left.  She might sound good to those on the far right side of the spectrum, but to most normal to moderate Republicans she was repugnant.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Well, seems no-one bothered telling her she wasn't relevant any more - or the ppl that kept turning out to her rallies. Pretty much knew she was a no-hoper for the nomination, but thought she'd at least go in and split the crazy vote so that a slightly-less-than-whacko nominee might get it.....


She had a lot of momentum during her 'bus tour' last summer, but I'm glad she decided not to run.  (Or maybe it was decided for her?).  She makes decent enough speeches and has a large (almost fanatical) following.  But she quit the only real job she ever had when the going got tough.  She'd have split the GOP vote and that would have hurt the party.

Just goes to show that having a large following doesnt always mean you are the best person for the job.



That and the fact she is the main reason McCain lost.  Originally McCain appealed to us moderates, but then he went churchy and appointed that half-wit to try to appeal more to the far right.  Thats when most moderates left.  She might sound good to those on the far right side of the spectrum, but to most normal to moderate Republicans she was repugnant.



Really......repugnant.......really.......you don't think you are being to harsh???

To me she sounded just like thousands of other housewives I've met. Not quit ready for primetime, but definitely not repugnant.

Kudos for the other parts of your post. She was a big reason why McCain lost.
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I dunno.  she drew a lot of fire during that campaign but I'm at a loss as to see why.  We didnt really know much about her then.

For me, McCain lost not because of Palin...but because he looked old and feeble next to Obama.  Plus his immigration policy was not in line with hard core conservatives.  McCain is a RINO, pure and simple.  

He said he would not vote to repeal R v Wade.

In 1998 McCain opposed a ballot proposal to end affirmative action.  But then in '08 he reversed his stance.  

In '99 he talked about reinstating the Draft.  In '07 he changed his mind again saying a draft would be a bad mistake.

McCain has received fair to poor ratings on gun issues from the National Rifle Association, garnering a C+. According to a review by Gun Owners of America  "in 2001, McCain went from being a supporter of anti-gun bills to being a lead sponsor".

In 1996 McCain voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would have prohibited discrimination against employees on the basis of sexual orientation.  When the bill was reintroduced in 2006, McCain told ABC's This Week, "I don't think we need specific laws that would apply necessarily to people who are gay."  But then, In December 2007, McCain said he supported the policy, citing reports from military leaders that "this policy ought to be continued because it's working."

In July 2008, McCain told The New York Times that "I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no I don’t believe in gay adoption."  John McCain has later said, that despite his opposition, he could see the benefit of a child being adopted by a same-sex couple rather than being at an orphanage.

In 1983, McCain opposed creating a federal holiday in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. The House vote was 338-90 and President Reagan signed the bill into law later that year creating Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.  By 1989, McCain reiterated his opposition to the federal holiday, but reversed position on the state holiday, due to the economic boycotts and image problems Arizona was receiving as a result of it not having one.

In October 2006, McCain said he would consider changing the U.S. military's don't ask, don't tell policy: "The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it.

McCain has promoted the legislation and eventually the granting of amnesty to the estimated 12–20 million illegal aliens in the United States.    McCain campaigned against Proposition 200, a 2004 Arizona state initiative intended to prevent illegal immigrants from voting, receiving welfare benefits, and mandated state agencies to report illegals to the federal government.  His immigration stance was widely cited as a major reason for his presidential campaign's difficulty during most of 2007.(So it had little to do with Palin).  

So he's a known flip flopper.  A Republican in name only.  And true conservatives are tired of the weak, watered down policies of the RINOS who has infiltrated the GOP.

Plus (imo) the guy was a traitor to his country.  There are articles written about the guy where he got special favoritism during his time as a POW AND...there is also a photo on the net showing him hugging the Hanoi Hilton jailer Col. Bui Tin.




Sen. John McCain (left) warmly greeted Vietnam Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet.  As a senior Central Committee member, Kiet ordered American POWs to be punished by execution and helped formulate the Vietnamese communist policy which resulted in the murder of thousands of proU.S. South Vietnamese in Hue during the Tet Offensive of 1968.

There was just no way I was going to vote for that guy.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Plus (imo) the guy was a traitor to his country.  There are articles written about the guy where he got special favoritism during his time as a POW AND...there is also a photo on the net showing him hugging the Hanoi Hilton jailer Col. Bui Tin.



Hah, I brought that up in here (well, on myspace) during the '08 election and Dod near damn bit my head off over it, saying it was slander and there was no real evidence and how dare I malign a war hero etc....
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I'm kinda to the point where I don't think it matters who you vote for. It really seems whether you're right or left, when you enter the office of president you are automatically pushed to the middle. After receiving so much fire from both sides you have no choice but to appeal to both. I don't want to vote for Obama, but if none of these new Reps impress me then hell I don't know what I'll do. I may not vote at all.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:


For me, McCain lost not because of Palin...but because he looked old and feeble next to Obama.  Plus his immigration policy was not in line with hard core conservatives.  McCain is a RINO, pure and simple.  



lol not really Dennis? Don't always bet on looks. Snooki from Jersey Shore said she voted for McCain because she thought he was cute.
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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Well, seems no-one bothered telling her she wasn't relevant any more - or the ppl that kept turning out to her rallies. Pretty much knew she was a no-hoper for the nomination, but thought she'd at least go in and split the crazy vote so that a slightly-less-than-whacko nominee might get it.....


She had a lot of momentum during her 'bus tour' last summer, but I'm glad she decided not to run.  (Or maybe it was decided for her?).  She makes decent enough speeches and has a large (almost fanatical) following.  But she quit the only real job she ever had when the going got tough.  She'd have split the GOP vote and that would have hurt the party.

Just goes to show that having a large following doesnt always mean you are the best person for the job.



That and the fact she is the main reason McCain lost.  Originally McCain appealed to us moderates, but then he went churchy and appointed that half-wit to try to appeal more to the far right.  Thats when most moderates left.  She might sound good to those on the far right side of the spectrum, but to most normal to moderate Republicans she was repugnant.



Really......repugnant.......really.......you don't think you are being to harsh???

To me she sounded just like thousands of other housewives I've met. Not quit ready for primetime, but definitely not repugnant.

Kudos for the other parts of your post. She was a big reason why McCain lost.



Yes repugnant.  I can't think of many redeeming qualities she possesses.  I understand why those on the religious right would be attracted to her views, however for many of the rest of us she seems dangerous.
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