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I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

By "creationism" you mean "Intelligent Design" of course, yes? And I believe that's called "teaching the controversy", give the kids both theories and let them choose which one they believe is right.

To be fair, if they do this they should also bring in "teach the controversy" in other classes like geography, where they should also put forward the theory that the earth is flat and only 6000 years old and let the kids make up their own minds....

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

By "creationism" you mean "Intelligent Design" of course, yes? And I believe that's called "teaching the controversy", give the kids both theories and let them choose which one they believe is right.

To be fair, if they do this they should also bring in "teach the controversy" in other classes like geography, where they should also put forward the theory that the earth is flat and only 6000 years old and let the kids make up their own minds....

I went to a Catholic High School and our science classes were considered separate from our religion class even though they were all required courses. Honestly they leaned more toward the natural scientific evolution of the Earth than the religious perspective. I think my school did the right thing. My religion class did not spend any time teaching the history of Jesus or Christianity. They taught us the guidelines for the Christian way of being happy, being successful and helping others. At the time I didn't like it, but looking back on it I think they did the right thing.

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Plus (imo) the guy was a traitor to his country.  There are articles written about the guy where he got special favoritism during his time as a POW AND...there is also a photo on the net showing him hugging the Hanoi Hilton jailer Col. Bui Tin.

Hah, I brought that up in here (well, on myspace) during the '08 election and Dod near damn bit my head off over it, saying it was slander and there was no real evidence and how dare I malign a war hero etc....

I remember that discussion back then.  But there are some really interesting questions about his time in the military and in Hanoi.  

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Plus (imo) the guy was a traitor to his country.  There are articles written about the guy where he got special favoritism during his time as a POW AND...there is also a photo on the net showing him hugging the Hanoi Hilton jailer Col. Bui Tin.

Hah, I brought that up in here (well, on myspace) during the '08 election and Dod near damn bit my head off over it, saying it was slander and there was no real evidence and how dare I malign a war hero etc....

I remember that discussion back then.  But there are some really interesting questions about his time in the military and in Hanoi.  

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Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

Creationism probably belongs in the church and taught at home.  But I wouldnt mind seeing Darwinism or Evolution being taught in schools as long as there is an emphasis placed on its being a theory.  Because while I agree that science does seem to support at least some forms of evolution, there still isnt any hard-core rock solid, religion-busting proof of it.  There are plenty of scientists out there who have questioned aspects of creation and that should be taught as well.  

Unfortunately, some teachers and professors belittle Creationists for their view.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:

Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

By "creationism" you mean "Intelligent Design" of course, yes? And I believe that's called "teaching the controversy", give the kids both theories and let them choose which one they believe is right.

To be fair, if they do this they should also bring in "teach the controversy" in other classes like geography, where they should also put forward the theory that the earth is flat and only 6000 years old and let the kids make up their own minds....

I went to a Catholic High School and our science classes were considered separate from our religion class even though they were all required courses. Honestly they leaned more toward the natural scientific evolution of the Earth than the religious perspective. I think my school did the right thing. My religion class did not spend any time teaching the history of Jesus or Christianity. They taught us the guidelines for the Christian way of being happy, being successful and helping others. At the time I didn't like it, but looking back on it I think they did the right thing.

That sounds like a good way to handle the subject.    And let the Church go into more detail where necessary.  

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

Yes repugnant.  I can't think of many redeeming qualities she possesses.  I understand why those on the religious right would be attracted to her views, however for many of the rest of us she seems dangerous.

Ya know..thats how a lot of us feel about Obama.

And Holder.
And Giethner,
And Pelosi.
And Reid.
And Boxer.

We,(I), think these people are extremely dangerous to our country.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:

Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
I heard she wants Creationism to be taught in public schools. If that's true then, repugnant? I'd call that a big yes.

By "creationism" you mean "Intelligent Design" of course, yes? And I believe that's called "teaching the controversy", give the kids both theories and let them choose which one they believe is right.

To be fair, if they do this they should also bring in "teach the controversy" in other classes like geography, where they should also put forward the theory that the earth is flat and only 6000 years old and let the kids make up their own minds....

I went to a Catholic High School and our science classes were considered separate from our religion class even though they were all required courses. Honestly they leaned more toward the natural scientific evolution of the Earth than the religious perspective. I think my school did the right thing. My religion class did not spend any time teaching the history of Jesus or Christianity. They taught us the guidelines for the Christian way of being happy, being successful and helping others. At the time I didn't like it, but looking back on it I think they did the right thing.

That sounds like a good way to handle the subject.    And let the Church go into more detail where necessary.  

Indeed. In fact my high school was so successful for that reason. Not once did they cram creationism down our throats. Our science classes were just as hard core any other science class. We would have open debates in religion class about the creation of the world. Our religion teacher was always lenient about letting us speak our minds and think for ourselves. Most of us agreed that there weren't no Adam and Eve because their offspring would be stricken with the results of inbreeding. Even though many religious folks believed god made procreation between the two possible without the effects of inbreeding because the world had to populate. I guess anything is possible when god is involved.

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Thats an interesting topic that I've often wondered about.  Adam and Eve and their young-uns.

Sorry for getting off-topic, but when you say anything is possible where God is involved...for me that explains a lot.  I mean, sure it isnt scientific theory per se but my thinking is if God is who we are told he is, then why couldnt anything be possible?

We are told that mankind often lived hundreds of years back then.  Methusela supposedly lived over 900 years!  Adam and Abraham and a host of others back then supposedly lived many centuries.
Question is...why?

I suppose that if the earth needed to be populated and if there werent many people in those days...it would make sense for mankind to procreate as long as possible.  Lol!

Plus...we are taught that mankind wasnt even allowed to eat meat until after Noah (Genesis Ch 9).  so maybe vegetarianism is truly the way to live a long life.  

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
Thats an interesting topic that I've often wondered about.  Adam and Eve and their young-uns.

Sorry for getting off-topic, but when you say anything is possible where God is involved...for me that explains a lot.  I mean, sure it isnt scientific theory per se but my thinking is if God is who we are told he is, then why couldnt anything be possible?

We are told that mankind often lived hundreds of years back then.  Methusela supposedly lived over 900 years!  Adam and Abraham and a host of others back then supposedly lived many centuries.
Question is...why?

I suppose that if the earth needed to be populated and if there werent many people in those days...it would make sense for mankind to procreate as long as possible.  Lol!

Plus...we are taught that mankind wasnt even allowed to eat meat until after Noah (Genesis Ch 9).  so maybe vegetarianism is truly the way to live a long life.  

Well about god, I was speaking hypothetically of course.

The story I heard was before the flood is that the earth was covered by water. There was fluid in the sky that blocked out most of the sun light. They say that the sun is what makes you age and that the water in the air blocked out most of the sun causing people to live much longer. When the rains fell it exposed the sunlight decreasing people's lifespan. Personally I don't think I believe that of course, but it is interesting.

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Wow that is interesting!  I wouldnt completely discount something like that.

Another story I heard (but cant remember where), is that a long time ago there was some celestial event (like a star exploding or something).  And that increased radiation to the earth's surface and may have decreased mankind's lifespan.

Of course, the Bible wouldnt be that specific because ancient man would never understand.  My view is if that happened, there is still no reason to think God didnt cause it...using science.  

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Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:


I went to a Catholic High School and our science classes were considered separate from our religion class even though they were all required courses. Honestly they leaned more toward the natural scientific evolution of the Earth than the religious perspective. I think my school did the right thing. My religion class did not spend any time teaching the history of Jesus or Christianity. They taught us the guidelines for the Christian way of being happy, being successful and helping others. At the time I didn't like it, but looking back on it I think they did the right thing.

BTW...I watched a movie tonight and one scene took place in a Catholic school.  A creepy ol nun in her black Habit was smacking some boy's hand with a ruler.  Made me wonder if you got hit back in school.  Lol!

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Plus...we are taught that mankind wasnt even allowed to eat meat until after Noah (Genesis Ch 9).  so maybe vegetarianism is truly the way to live a long life.  

Well, in that case, it's ok, I'll be happy dying younger..... You may or may not live a whole lot longer being a veggie, but it'll definitely seem a lot longer.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:


I went to a Catholic High School and our science classes were considered separate from our religion class even though they were all required courses. Honestly they leaned more toward the natural scientific evolution of the Earth than the religious perspective. I think my school did the right thing. My religion class did not spend any time teaching the history of Jesus or Christianity. They taught us the guidelines for the Christian way of being happy, being successful and helping others. At the time I didn't like it, but looking back on it I think they did the right thing.

BTW...I watched a movie tonight and one scene took place in a Catholic school.  A creepy ol nun in her black Habit was smacking some boy's hand with a ruler.  Made me wonder if you got hit back in school.  Lol!

Not I. There were no nuns and very few priests in my school. It was a very lenient place. We didn't even have to wear uniforms. Just had to dress preppy.