OFFLINE

Hey there folks in Kansas, Missouri, Alabama and other flyover, middle states--are you still a Neanderthal with a tiny brain jammed into "a low, sloping forehead"? Former drug addict and now New York Times columnist David Carr seems to think so.

    New York Times columnist David Carr responds to Bill Maher implying Alabama and Kansas are not the "smart states."

    David Carr: "If it's Kansas, Missouri, no big deal. You know, that's the dance of the low-sloping foreheads. The middle places, right? [pause] Did I just say that aloud?"

Why, yes you did say that David Carr. Now tell us what you really think, what you really meant to say. No, on second thought, don't. Don't bother explaining, apologizing--you and Maher & Company belong together, all alone in your "smart state;" the rest of us are even smarter and can understand very well what you said aloud, what you really believe.


just another illustration of how the political and media elite view themselves as superior to us cavemen, and know better than we do.

OFFLINE

If you look at education, health issues etc, these guys may have a point.  I know I wouldn't care to live in many of those states.  

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Sarah Skinner:
If you look at education, health issues etc, these guys may have a point.  I know I wouldn't care to live in many of those states.  

i hate to break it to you, but north carolina would be one of those low-sloping forehead regions as well. i would rather be in one of those areas than the northeast or west coast run by harvard ideologues with no life experience.

OFFLINE

The constant accusation that highly educated people are by definition "intellectual elites" and lack "any life experience" or "real world knowledge" are horribly obnoxious, only serve to justify (or even glorify) ignorance, and further often lack the slightest trace of truth.  What the hell makes you think that, in your own words, "the northeast or west coast...harvard ideologues" lack your precious "life experience?"  Most highly educated people go to work in the morning, come home from work in the evening five days a week like you (assuming they still have a job, the current situation didn't seem to discriminate).  Most of us have had jobs that require some good old fashioned hard physical labor.  We all inhabit the same world, with the same reality and same facts as you.  If anything, I would expect that better educated people are more likely to travel abroad and interact with a greater diversity of people than the average Oklahoman.

I agree with Sarah, if you look at education information (HS graduation rates, AA/AS completion rates, higher degree rates, etc.) one will likely see the trend Mr. Carr described (by the way, I liked that red herring about Carr being a former drug addict, as it has no bearing what so ever on the discussion at hand).

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:
The constant accusation that highly educated people are by definition "intellectual elites" and lack "any life experience" or "real world knowledge" are horribly obnoxious, only serve to justify (or even glorify) ignorance, and further often lack the slightest trace of truth.  What the hell makes you think that, in your own words, "the northeast or west coast...harvard ideologues" lack your precious "life experience?"  Most highly educated people go to work in the morning, come home from work in the evening five days a week like you (assuming they still have a job, the current situation didn't seem to discriminate).  Most of us have had jobs that require some good old fashioned hard physical labor.  We all inhabit the same world, with the same reality and same facts as you.  If anything, I would expect that better educated people are more likely to travel abroad and interact with a greater diversity of people than the average Oklahoman.

I agree with Sarah, if you look at education information (HS graduation rates, AA/AS completion rates, higher degree rates, etc.) one will likely see the trend Mr. Carr described (by the way, I liked that red herring about Carr being a former drug addict, as it has no bearing what so ever on the discussion at hand).

no no no. i'm not saying all those with a college degree are harvard ideologues. however, most of those doing the policy making in these liberal areas do fancy themselves as intellectual elites. and all the life experiences most of these wienies have, comes from academia. and the same goes of the media intellectual elites. these people ARE ivy league ideologues, who feel that their scholarly endeavors make them more qualified at running a country, or "informing the public," than those down there in the squalor of every day life. i mean this guy JUST said so. everyone knows how the elites view "flyover country."

hell, just look at the guy in the white house. he doesn't have any real world experience in running a business, much less a state or a nation. he sees the world on a philosophic level, with no clue as to the way the world really works. just like anthony weiner, he's a real-life career politician.

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:
If anything, I would expect that better educated people are more likely to travel abroad and interact with a greater diversity of people than the average Oklahoman.

so someone traveling abroad and all the "diversity" makes someone more qualified to run oklahoma, than an oklahoman?

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:

Originally Posted by Sarah Skinner:
If you look at education, health issues etc, these guys may have a point.  I know I wouldn't care to live in many of those states.  

i hate to break it to you, but north carolina would be one of those low-sloping forehead regions as well.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.  I cant believe Sarah just said that.  

OFFLINE

I think the truth is coming out now.  We're finding out what folks here think of those of us living in the Southern States.  Guess they see us as ignorant hicks.  Doesnt matter what accomplishments our states have had.

Show me a trailer trash hick in Alabama and I'll show you 10 ghetto gangsta, HUD-dependant, welfare abusing groups of folks living in the PJs.

*Sigh*  We've been fighting against these stereotypes for decades.

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
I think the truth is coming out now.  We're finding out what folks here think of those of us living in the Southern States.  Guess they see us as ignorant hicks.  Doesnt matter what accomplishments our states have had.

Show me a trailer trash hick in Alabama and I'll show you 10 ghetto gangsta, HUD-dependant, welfare abusing groups of folks living in the PJs.

*Sigh*  We've been fighting against these stereotypes for decades.

Are the southern states counted as "flyover country"?  

Everyone has stereotypes against everyone else. The north sees the south as bible-thumping rednecks, the south sees the north as godless degenerate lily-livered pansies (or something like that).  Californians are all surfer dudes except for the san franciscans who are too busy having gay sex with each other to surf. The Irish are all little leprechaun people who live in thatched cottages with farm animals rnning around in the parlour, and are all either drunk or doing Riverdance the whole time, but that's ok because half of americans think they're Irish anyway. The English all have posh accents and are repressed homosexuals, the french are all effeminate and sneaky etc etc etc.

Stereotypes can be fun to live down to sometimes, is great to be an irishman abroad for example, everyone loves us and you can get away with pretty much anything (I've used the chat-up line "So do you have any Irish in you? Well, do you want some?" and it worked!).

OFFLINE

Because someone is smart, they are elite?  I'm going to stop reading and learning right now...lol.

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Lelania Bailey:
Because someone is smart, they are elite?  I'm going to stop reading and learning right now...lol.

who said that?

OFFLINE

and i love how an elitist says this kind of thing, and it's dismissed, yet the real outrage is over what i said about elitists.

OFFLINE

It was implied.

OFFLINE

Originally Posted by Lelania Bailey:
It was implied.

i would say that you need to read my 3rd post then. apparently you weren't the only one to think so.

OFFLINE

Just seemed like you were dissing people for being educated or from money.   I judge a person for their actions not where they come from or how much money they have and certainly not because they went to Harvard.  
It does seem that you prefer the lower IQ president to the alternative, though ;p