| 02/22/2011 11:40 am |
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INDIANAPOLIS—House Democratic lawmakers in Indiana have begun a de facto walkout in an effort to block Republican-backed legislation that would restrict private-sector union rights. At issue are several bills, but primarily a so-called right to work bill that would give members of private-sector unions the right to opt out of unions and not pay dues.
Republicans arrived at the statehouse Tuesday morning to find no Democrats present, as protesters applauding the walkout could be heard inside the chamber.
The strategy is possible because Republicans make up 60 of 100 House seats. Without any Democrats present, Republicans lack a two-thirds majority needed for a quorum to act on the bill.
Over breakfast Tuesday morning, House Democratic Minority Leader B. Patrick Bauer said it was unclear whether he and his colleagues would leave the state, as Senate Democrats did in Wisconsin last week, or simply remain outside the capitol.
"Walkout's a word that ought to be stricken. But we're ruminating," Mr. Bauer said. "It's happening. We're in a study group right now trying to figure out how to stop this legislation."
This study group, also called the Democratic caucus, is meeting in Indianapolis, outside the state capitol. Mr. Bauer said he didn't come into the capitol building Tuesday for fear he might be seized by a legislative officer. "I don't want to be as dramatic as they are in Wisconsin," Mr. Bauer said. He added, "We will probably have to leave the state, but I don't know."
Mr. Bauer said his Democratic caucus is taking this step because of "a concerted national effort to cannibalize unions, public schools and anything else the Democratic Party stands for."
"I think it's clear this is a walkout," said House Speaker Brian Bosma, a Republican.
"The Democrats are shirking their job," said Mr. Bosma in an interview. "They're not going to dictate their terms for returning. There are many issues they're playing chicken with." |
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| 02/22/2011 6:04 pm |
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| 02/22/2011 7:17 pm |
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OFFLINE |  Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
anyone?
Sounds like politics as usual to me. I know, how about all the political extremists take a full dose of "Grow The Efff Up" and quit running the country into the toilet? And I say that without prejudice :/ |
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| 02/22/2011 7:20 pm |
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OFFLINE | Seriously though. Where else on the entire planet outside of American Politics can one witness this much immaturity in grown ass adults? This is just too trifling.... |
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| 02/22/2011 11:57 pm |
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OFFLINE | I'm guessing the **** would hit the fan if the Republicans pulled the same stunt.
Very childish if you ask me. The bastards should all be fired. |
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| 02/23/2011 5:04 am |
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OFFLINE | I'm likening politics to my feelings about our judicial/legal systems; it's not ultimately about the truth or what's best for 'the people'; it's merely strategy geared towards personal victory, and personal victory is typically a selfish thing rather than a 'truth' thing. And it's silly to think that all republicans are together and all democrats are together; their (whatever they're called) debates for each party's front-person are just as hostile as each party is towards each other. I'm personally disgusted with both parties. |
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| 02/23/2011 5:32 am |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Jann Morrison Kostka:
I'm guessing the **** would hit the fan if the Republicans pulled the same stunt.
can you imagine if the republicans had all fled to canada to halt the healthcare bill? ooh boy, what a firestorm that would've kicked up. |
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| 02/23/2011 5:36 am |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:
I'm likening politics to my feelings about our judicial/legal systems; it's not ultimately about the truth or what's best for 'the people'; it's merely strategy geared towards personal victory, and personal victory is typically a selfish thing rather than a 'truth' thing. And it's silly to think that all republicans are together and all democrats are together; their (whatever they're called) debates for each party's front-person are just as hostile as each party is towards each other. I'm personally disgusted with both parties.
in a way, you're right. but this isn't politics. politics requires politicians to be involved in the political process, representing their constituents for better or worse. this...this is just cowardice. |
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| 02/23/2011 10:00 am |
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OFFLINE | Kinda sorta on topic ...
Having lived in the south all my life, I can't imagine living in a state where union membership is a condition of employment ... a requirement. Whaat? I wouldn't have the freedom to say "No thanks!" ????
Since everybody lives all over the USA, this might not be a surprise to some, but last night I heard that the unions are so in bed with the state of Wisconsin that the state government actually collects the union dues from paychecks and distributes it to the Union Bosses.
And yes, I agree ... elected officials (and state employees) who walk out and refuse to do their jobs are abrogating their duties and should be canned. |
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| 02/23/2011 10:55 am |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Kinda sorta on topic ...
And yes, I agree ... elected officials (and state employees) who walk out and refuse to do their jobs are abrogating their duties and should be canned.
I agree. So why aren't they? Does their 'title' award them the entitlement to this behavior? |
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| 02/23/2011 11:00 am |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:
Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Kinda sorta on topic ...
And yes, I agree ... elected officials (and state employees) who walk out and refuse to do their jobs are abrogating their duties and should be canned.
I agree. So why aren't they? Does their 'title' award them the entitlement to this behavior?
I suppose part of it is tolerance and another part is ... do you know how hard it is to fire a union employee?
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| 02/23/2011 11:05 am |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Originally Posted by Shawn Ishness:
Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Kinda sorta on topic ...
And yes, I agree ... elected officials (and state employees) who walk out and refuse to do their jobs are abrogating their duties and should be canned.
I agree. So why aren't they? Does their 'title' award them the entitlement to this behavior?
I suppose part of it is tolerance and another part is ... do you know how hard it is to fire a union employee?
Well, actually, no. I've never worked under a union. And it's been a very long time since I've spoken to someone who actually liked working under a union. |
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| 02/23/2011 8:50 pm |
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OFFLINE | The use of not having enough members for quorum is a tool used from time to time. Examples: A member of the Continental Congress forced quorum not to be met when the Congress was going to reprimand General Washington. A favorite story about Lincoln was how when he was in the state legislature jumped out of a window so quorum was denied. It has been used in the Civil Rights era and during the campaign reform of '88, a Republican US Senator was actually physically carried into the chamber so quorum could be met. In 2009 in New York the Republican state senators managed to stay out for 3 weeks until one of their members was seen passing through the chamber towards the restroom. |
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| 02/23/2011 9:58 pm |
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OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Scott Terry:
Kinda sorta on topic ...
Having lived in the south all my life, I can't imagine living in a state where union membership is a condition of employment ... a requirement. Whaat? I wouldn't have the freedom to say "No thanks!" ????
I worked for AT&T, you were a PAYING union member whether you liked it or not (California)
If you worked in a "right to work" state (like Nevada) or if you chose not to be a member, you paid the dues anyhow. Came right out of your check.
I worked there for 29 years before losing my job to a higher seniority but less qualified person.
Not a fan of unions. There was a time we needed them. No more.
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