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i have a problem coping with the fact that just because there is no smoking gun, that someone can get away with murder.

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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
i have a problem coping with the fact that just because there is no smoking gun, that someone can get away with murder.

I think that's what separates this country from many others. This isn't mob rule or opinion. It is Formal discussion with unanimous decision. The biggest downfall is the simple fact that there are no witnesses who saw her death and no one knows for sure how she died.

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perhaps we live in a CSI society, where if there is no direct witness, or video, or semen stains, then people can walk. i think circumstantial evidence IS evidence, and in this case, it all pointed to one thing. i think even casey was shocked at the outcome.

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It amazes how much this trial has gripped this nation. The media blew it up just like they do everything else. Every other country had something to say about it. Even China had an article on it. BillO just read a bunch of angry emails from other countries criticizing our justice system. Other countries are pissed at us about it. What else is new? Same poop, different toilet.

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I think the whole family knows what happened.  But it's innocent until proven guilty in our society.  Not innocent unless she probably did it.  The family is screwed up imo.  I'm still thinking the grandfather was hip deep in this and Casey knew about it too. But unfortunately the jury (and I ) didnt think the prosecution provided enough evidence to show which one of em killed the little girl.  What if you put Casey in Jail and it was the grandfather that killed the little girl?  What if the little girl really did drown and the Grandfather told Casey keep your mouth shut and I'll take care of this...?{/b].

I dunno.  Thats why I think the jury couldnt point directly to one person.  There are just too many questions still.

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well, you can just look at all the lies casey told, and tell that the rest of the family wasn't in on it. i mean george anthony is a former cop. and as the prosecution said, no one makes an accident look like a murder. i mean she made up a nanny, and then made up a rich boyfriend, and that's how she kept her parents off of her back those 31 days while she was living it up. she even made up that she had a job at universal studios. then when she could'nt continue those lies anymore, she made up the story that the fictitious nanny kidnapped caylee. then when all that imploded, and the body was found, and she was tried, then it was that she was molested by every male in the family, and then it was an accidental drowning.

but if it was an accidental drowning, why put duct tape over a dead babies mouth and nose? just what i've covered so far indicates she and she alone had something to do with it. not counting the chloroform searches, and the chloroform in her trunk, and caylee's hair in her trunk that matched the hair of the dead body.

i think it was mostly luck, but the way she killed caylee (chloroform and them suffocation through the duct tape), and then how she delayed for so long so that the body was too decomposed to get much from, is what allowed her to get away with it.

i think the problem is that we (as a society) have a problem making judgements about people today. i think the jury wanted that smoking gun, so they wouldn't have to make a judgement about casey. people say it shouldn't have been a capital murder case, but the jury had other options they should've gone with. i think that people confuse beyond a reasonable doubt, with beyond the shadow of a doubt, and unless someone pleads guilty, there will always be SOME doubt.

so now that she's gonna get all these book deals and whatnot, she went from being executed or spending decades in jail, to winning the lottery. only in america...

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and now she's getting out in 6 days. it just keeps getting better and better. must be nice to be casey anthony. if i ever get into trouble for something, i'm just blaming george anthony lol.

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keeping it classy

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The chloroform / duct tape murder isnt conclusive.  The prosecution speculated that chloroform and duct tape was used to kill the child.  We still dont know how the child actually died.

What follows is sheer speculation on my part, but its something that I've been mulling over.  I was wondering 'what if'.  If Casey was actually innocent, then what might account for the duct tape and chloroform?

1.

Lets say for the sake of argument that Casey really was molested by her dad.  (It happens).  And that she was terrified of her father, yet she was also dependent on her family for financial support.

If her dad would molest his daughter, what would stop him from molesting his granddaughter?
So maybe he did!  And things went wrong.  Maybe he uses chloroform to subdue and quiet the child and she dies.
Obviously Casey is gonna find out.  So he tells her to keep her mouth shut and he'll take care of everything.
Casey, terrified, does as he asks...for 30 days.
George locks the body up in Casey's trunk for a period of time, til he can decide what to do.
Casey either finds about about George's affair, or already knew it, but decides to tell her mom.  (Remember this is one big disfunctional family).
Things arent going like he wants it so George uses duct tape at this point to make the death appear like mom murdered the child.
He then dumps the body.

This might account for the hair in the trunk.  It would also account for the duct tape and chloroform.

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The other scenario is that Caylee actually drowned in the pool.
George tells Casey to shut up and he'll handle everything.
Casey, being terrified of her father, does as he asks.
George hides the body in Casey's trunk for awhile.
Casey has a change of heart or whatever, but for some reason she tells Cindy about George's affair.
Furious, George decides to make this look like murder and pin it on Casey.
the body was already in her trunk.  He adds the duct tape and maybe chloroform.
Then he dumps the body.
It now looks like murder and it points directly to the owner of the car.

To me, the last scenario is more believable than a mom (who is shown on video and by eyewitness testimony)  who loves her kid deciding that she's gonna chloroform her daughter to go party.  We've heard several people testify that Casey appeared to be a loving mother.  We've seen many many photos and videos that affirm this.  So its hard for me to believe that Casey wanted to kill her daughter.

A few days ago a psychiatrist was on the news saying that in some cases, Casey's behavior after the death of her daughter is something some people do.  Remember that if Casey was actually molested as she said, then her reaction may be unlike what the rest of us would do.  This shrink said as much.

If the chloroform was too much and killed the child, why bother with the duct tape???  That just make it look like murder.  If the chloroform killed her the duct tape was unnecessary.

No...the chloroform (which is in question btw) is most likely not what killed Caylee.  The child was most likely asphyxiated.  Either she drowned or she was suffocated by the duct tape.

Again, all we can do is speculate.  

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
The chloroform / duct tape murder isnt conclusive.  The prosecution speculated that chloroform and duct tape was used to kill the child.  We still dont know how the child actually died.

and unless it was all videotaped, there's no way of knowing with 100% certainty how she died. but there was no way of knowing with 100% certainty how scott peterson's wife died and he was found guilty. there have even been successful murder trials without a body.

If the chloroform was too much and killed the child, why bother with the duct tape???  That just make it look like murder.  If the chloroform killed her the duct tape was unnecessary.

No...the chloroform (which is in question btw) is most likely not what killed Caylee.  The child was most likely asphyxiated.  Either she drowned or she was suffocated by the duct tape.

okay, well why would anyone put duct tape over a dead baby's mouth and nose, whether she drowned or not? so you're absolutely right, the duct tape was the murder weapon. i have two theories. either it was an accidental murder, and casey used to chloroform to go out and party, and just used the tape to make sure caylee didn't wake up and cry and draw attention to the trunk, or it was an intentional murder, and the chloroform was just to make sure caylee didn't suffer. either way, it's clear to me at least, that her mother had a hand in her death.

did you know that one juror had a non-refundable cruise lined up for july 7th? tell me that didn't play into their decision to get the thing over with. the one juror, jennifer ford, said that they were split on the manslaughter charges at first, which is why i have a hard time understanding why just 11 hours later, they were all on the same page of not guilty. i think the fact that they were sequestered for a month and a half may have played a part in the short deliberation.

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I didnt know about the cruise.  

I dunno...this is an ugly case.  It bears repeating that I believe the Anthonys all know what happened.  I thought of the chloroform / party idea, but the duck tape didnt fit in that scenario.  Someone probably put duck tape in order to smother the little girl.  Maybe they put her to sleep with chloroform, then murdered her.  I dunno.

And that's the problem.  I just dont know.  And I dont think the jury knew either.  As for Scott Peterson...I had problems with that trial as well.

Its why I was dismissed from the murder trial I was called to serve on.  I cant make a good juror.

Let me mention that I find it interesting that my favorite NEws pundit (Bill O'Reilley) is positive that the jury was dumb and Casey killed the toddler.  Otoh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Geraldo all have problems with this case and (though they feel Casey probably killed the girl) couldnt commit to finding her guilty.

This case has polarized the country.  There were 2 trials here...one in the courtroom and 1 in the media.

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and one of george anthony.