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If we discussed this before I don't remember. I'm still trying to find out if this is a good idea. Keep in mind that there are two parts of this debate. Whether or not abortion is okay and whether or not federal funding is a good idea for it. I am okay with the first. The second I'm not so sure. I think the funding should be done privately. Tax dollars spent on that may be a waste in some cases. A lot of times couples allow pregnancy knowing they can't afford raising a child then expect tax payers to pay for their mistake for an abortion. However, things like **** and fathers bailing out happens. That's a different story.

I really think that people should focus on what they have first. If you can afford your own abortion then please do. If not, ask for assistance from friends and family members which I would gladly help with if a woman in my family needed it. Then ask for assistance from PP private funding and then if all that fails then maybe gov assistance may be okay. What do you guys think?

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I believe abortions in any case where the there is not a substantial threat to the mothers life are unethical and as such should not be legal.  My argument about funding would follow the same criteria.

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I tend to agree with Bryan on this.  Not too crazy about Feds funding abortion either.  The States can and should handle the funding of such a procedure IF....the mother cannot afford it.

I tellya something else that might be a good idea.  Rather than hand out condoms to 1st graders as some sort of sex ed experiment, maybe classes (beginning at the Jr high level maybe) should be taught about parenthood and the importance of fathers sticking by the mothers.  Deadbeat fathers... dads who bail on the mom have plagued or culture.  We need to reverse this trend.

(Of course, I'm also in favor of good citizenship courses to teach people how to be good citizens.  We need to revive the concept of 'honor' as well).

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
I tend to agree with Bryan on this.  Not too crazy about Feds funding abortion either.  The States can and should handle the funding of such a procedure IF....the mother cannot afford it.

I like that idea. So how do we decide whether a mother can afford it?

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I would suggest using a similar method to the way we decide if someone needs food stamps.  I dunno about the $ figure.  But if they cannot afford insurance, I doubt they can afford an abortion. Remember that I think abortions should be legal ONLY if the life of the mother is in jeopardy.    This is probably such a rarity that the States can handle the funding of this.  

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:
I believe abortions in any case where the there is not a substantial threat to the mothers life are unethical and as such should not be legal.  My argument about funding would follow the same criteria.

I agree with the exception that I would up the ante to include pregnancies resulting from **** or incest. That would mean that about 1% of present day abortions could be funded by the government and  wouldn't have a problem. No way would I even consider a repeat customer. So in that regards fully 65% of abortions are out the door for me.

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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:
I believe abortions in any case where the there is not a substantial threat to the mothers life are unethical and as such should not be legal.  My argument about funding would follow the same criteria.

I agree with the exception that I would up the ante to include pregnancies resulting from **** or incest. That would mean that about 1% of present day abortions could be funded by the government and  wouldn't have a problem. No way would I even consider a repeat customer. So in that regards fully 65% of abortions are out the door for me.

So I was right to believe that most abortions are unnecessary. (I was slammed in this debate in a separate forum) I think the main reason is that a woman can't afford to raise a child or simply just doesn't want it and she aloud herself to get pregnant by her own mistake.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
So I was right to believe that most abortions are unnecessary. (I was slammed in this debate in a separate forum) I think the main reason is that a woman can't afford to raise a child or simply just doesn't want it and she aloud herself to get pregnant by her own mistake.

Of course you were slammed.  But this group is the BEST!     We've weeded out the trolls.  We're few, but far more level headed.  Lol!

I could live with a plan that included abortion for incest I guess.  My big thing about abortion is simply that I am against it being used as a form of birth control.  What's more, I think people who use it that way should be prosecuted for murder 1.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Douglas Shireman:
So I was right to believe that most abortions are unnecessary. (I was slammed in this debate in a separate forum) I think the main reason is that a woman can't afford to raise a child or simply just doesn't want it and she aloud herself to get pregnant by her own mistake.

Of course you were slammed.  But this group is the BEST!     We've weeded out the trolls.  We're few, but far more level headed.  Lol!

I could live with a plan that included abortion for incest I guess.  My big thing about abortion is simply that I am against it being used as a form of birth control.  What's more, I think people who use it that way should be prosecuted for murder 1.

I didn't mind the trolls, they were quite entertaining and made things interesting. Knowing of course us moderates were here put them in their place. Although I learned a lesson that other forum. Don't go into one knowing full of extremists with no one to defend you.

Basically these two feminis...I mean women were complaining that not only should a woman be allowed to get an abortion whenever she wants for whatever reason at her discretion, but also the government should cover the funding of it no matter the cost or reasoning. If they don't then they're being "anti-woman"

I am okay with abortion being legal, but if she wants an abortion not because of disease or ****, but because she was irresponsible then SHE can pay for it. Not the tax payer.

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well caysee anthony just had a post-birth abortion carried out.

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Yeah I'm watching that trial. I hope they fry her.

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Some feminazis want to claim that the govt has no right to tell them what to do with their own bodies.

That's a bit disingenious though imo because the govt does this to everyone.  Attempted suicide is illegal.  Using illegal narcotics is illegal.   We DON'T have the right to do whatever we want with our own bodies.  But the Feminazis ignore that.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
That's a bit disingenious though imo because the govt does this to everyone.  Attempted suicide is illegal.  Using illegal narcotics is illegal.   We DON'T have the right to do whatever we want with our own bodies.  But the Feminazis ignore that.

I think the rule of thumb here should be that you can do whatever you want with your own body unless the end result is something that someone else (like cops, paramedics, fire service etc) has to clean up after you're done.....

Here's a fairly controversial slant on the abortion argument that I read a while ago: http://freakonomicsbook.com/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-4/. Opinions?

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

I tellya something else that might be a good idea.  Rather than hand out condoms to 1st graders as some sort of sex ed experiment, maybe classes (beginning at the Jr high level maybe) should be taught about parenthood and the importance of fathers sticking by the mothers.  Deadbeat fathers... dads who bail on the mom have plagued or culture.  We need to reverse this trend.

(Of course, I'm also in favor of good citizenship courses to teach people how to be good citizens.  We need to revive the concept of 'honor' as well).

Heh, this is something I've said for ages - and not even about the US, about pretty much everywhere in the west in general. Is an old quote I heard ages ago: "Too many people  know their rights, not enough people know their responsibilities"

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
That's a bit disingenious though imo because the govt does this to everyone.  Attempted suicide is illegal.  Using illegal narcotics is illegal.   We DON'T have the right to do whatever we want with our own bodies.  But the Feminazis ignore that.

I think the rule of thumb here should be that you can do whatever you want with your own body unless the end result is something that someone else (like cops, paramedics, fire service etc) has to clean up after you're done.....

who cleans up after abortions?