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Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her"

This is the second Islamic spokesman to speak out in favor of sex slavery in recent days. And that should come as no surprise: taking women captive and enslaving them as concubines is sanctioned by the Qur'an: "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you." -- Qur'an 4:24

After Egyptian Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni's controversial comments about jihad and slavery were published on YouTube, Facebook, and also in Egyptian press, he was given the opportunity to respond in a telephone interview aired on the Islamic satellite television station al-Hikma on 22 May 2011. In his approximately 20-minute response, he contended that his words in that clip were taken out of context--he was talking within the larger topic of offensive jihad.

In this interview he explained the meaning of offensive jihad, and established through sources in the Qur'an and sayings of Muhammad that both offensive jihad and the taking of spoils of war, namely slaves and "sex-slaves," are legitimate under Islam.

"They rejected Islam and the jizya, that's it. The Prophet (PBUH) said: 'If they refuse, then seek Allah's aid and fight them.' If fighting occurs, there is going to be a winner and a loser. If the army of the Muslims is victorious, it will take spoils. Taking spoils is a fixed ruling in the Qur'an."

"Jihad, as I stated in the beginning, is between Muslims and non-Muslims, from among the infidels."

Do you understand what I'm saying? Spoils, slaves, and prisoners are only to be taken in war between Muslims and infidels. Muslims in the past conquered, invaded, and took over countries. This is agreed to by all scholars--there is no disagreement on this from any of them, from the smallest to the largest, on the issue of taking spoils and prisoners. The prisoners and spoils are distributed among the fighters, which includes men, women, children, wealth, and so on.

When a slave market is erected, which is a market in which are sold slaves and sex-slaves, which are called in the Qur'an by the name milk al-yamin, "that which your right hands possess" [Qur'an 4:24]. This is a verse from the Qur'an which is still in force, and has not been abrogated. The milk al-yamin are the sex-slaves. You go to the market, look at the sex-slave, and buy her. She becomes like your wife, (but) she doesn't need a (marriage) contract or a divorce like a free woman, nor does she need a wali. All scholars agree on this point--there is no disagreement from any of them.

When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her. I choose the man I like, one with strong muscles, or if I want a boy to work in the house, and so forth. I choose one, and pay him a wage. I employ him in a variety of different tasks, then I sell him afterwards. Now, the country that I entered and took captive its men and women--does it not also have money, gold, and silver? Is that not money?"

here's a website with all the verses dedicated to the owning of slaves and sex slaves.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/015-slavery.htm

pretty disturbing people still think like this, especially when the call also comes from women as well.


"FemaleA Kuwaiti woman who once ran for parliament has called for sex slavery to be legalised - and suggested that non-Muslim prisoners from war-torn countries would make suitable concubines.

Salwa al Mutairi argued buying a sex-slave would protect decent, devout and 'virile' Kuwaiti men from adultery because buying an imported sex partner would be tantamount to marriage.

And she even had an idea of where to 'purchase' these sex-salves - browsing through female prisoners of war in other countries.

The political activist and TV host even suggested that it would be a better life for women in warring countries as they might die of starvation.

Mutairi claimed: 'There was no shame in it and it is not haram' (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law.'

She gave the example of Haroun al-Rashid, an 8th century Muslim leader who ruled over an area covered by modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria and was rumoured to have 2,000 concubines.

Mutairi recommended that offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way that recruitment agencies provide housemaids.

She suggested shopping for prisoners of war so as to protect Kuwaiti men from being tempted to commit adultery or being seduced by other women's beauty.

'For example, in the Chechnyan war, surely there are female Russian captives,' she said.

'So go and buy those and sell them here in Kuwait. Better than to have our men engage in forbidden sexual relations.'

Her unbelievable argument for her plan was that ‘captives’ might 'just die of hunger over there'.

She insisted, 'I don’t see any problem in this, no problem at all'.

In an attempt to consider the woman's feelings in the arrangement, Mutari conceded that the enslaved women, however, should be at least 15.

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Well, The Bible is OK with slavery as well, and sex slavery. Isn't just the old testament either, is slavery in the NT too.  

And before you say I'm trying to condone it here, the difference is that Christianity as a whole has moved on from taking the whole of the Bible literally and we don't have many religious fundamentalists cherry-picking it and picking out the bits they want to justify their actions (well, we do, but not the slavery bits). There just aren't enough moderate Islamic clerics coming out and saying "this kind of behaviour is unacceptable" - in fact, it doesn't seem like there are any.  

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Well, we need to clarify a few things.  There's slavery...and then there's slavery.  The Greek language has 2 distinct terms for slavery:  1. diakoneo, simply suggests rendering aid or helping another person.  2. douleuo, means to serve as a slave, implying subjection.  So we need to look at which version was used in the scriptures and what context.  

Slavery existed back then but was not common in Israel during the OT era.  A POW could become a slave.  You might be born into slavery too.  A convicted thief might become a slave.  A debtor might also become a slave if he didnt pay his debts.  Also...a person might sell HIMSELF into slavery if he were poverty stricken.  This is similar I guess to being imprisoned for tax evasion today...which is a form of slavery.

IMPORTANT:  After 6 years of service, an Israelite was bound by law to free is slave unless the slave chose freely to remain in hs service.  Furthermore, the Mosaic code protected slaves from harsh treatment (which I assume would include treatment of a sexual nature).

As for the NT times, slavery was most common in the Roman world.  There were thousands.

It is important to note that the NT treats slavery as a reality of the times.  It does not address the moral implications of the institution and does not actually condone it.  Furthermore the Bible commands masters to treat slaves as bothers and thus undermines the slave system...for a person viewed as a brother or sister cannot be viewed as a slave!  It is just this perspective that led to the outlawing of slavery in England and later...the USA.

IMO, what Dod was talking about is quite another thing entirely.  The Imam in the article was clearly speaking of slavery in the way that the ancient Romans treated slaves.  This is an evil thing and is something most Muslms today dont want westerners to know.  

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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her"

This is the second Islamic spokesman to speak out in favor of sex slavery in recent days. And that should come as no surprise: taking women captive and enslaving them as concubines is sanctioned by the Qur'an: "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you." -- Qur'an 4:24

After Egyptian Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni's controversial comments about jihad and slavery were published on YouTube, Facebook, and also in Egyptian press, he was given the opportunity to respond in a telephone interview aired on the Islamic satellite television station al-Hikma on 22 May 2011. In his approximately 20-minute response, he contended that his words in that clip were taken out of context--he was talking within the larger topic of offensive jihad.

In this interview he explained the meaning of offensive jihad, and established through sources in the Qur'an and sayings of Muhammad that both offensive jihad and the taking of spoils of war, namely slaves and "sex-slaves," are legitimate under Islam.

"They rejected Islam and the jizya, that's it. The Prophet (PBUH) said: 'If they refuse, then seek Allah's aid and fight them.' If fighting occurs, there is going to be a winner and a loser. If the army of the Muslims is victorious, it will take spoils. Taking spoils is a fixed ruling in the Qur'an."

"Jihad, as I stated in the beginning, is between Muslims and non-Muslims, from among the infidels."

Do you understand what I'm saying? Spoils, slaves, and prisoners are only to be taken in war between Muslims and infidels. Muslims in the past conquered, invaded, and took over countries. This is agreed to by all scholars--there is no disagreement on this from any of them, from the smallest to the largest, on the issue of taking spoils and prisoners. The prisoners and spoils are distributed among the fighters, which includes men, women, children, wealth, and so on.

When a slave market is erected, which is a market in which are sold slaves and sex-slaves, which are called in the Qur'an by the name milk al-yamin, "that which your right hands possess" [Qur'an 4:24]. This is a verse from the Qur'an which is still in force, and has not been abrogated. The milk al-yamin are the sex-slaves. You go to the market, look at the sex-slave, and buy her. She becomes like your wife, (but) she doesn't need a (marriage) contract or a divorce like a free woman, nor does she need a wali. All scholars agree on this point--there is no disagreement from any of them.

When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her. I choose the man I like, one with strong muscles, or if I want a boy to work in the house, and so forth. I choose one, and pay him a wage. I employ him in a variety of different tasks, then I sell him afterwards. Now, the country that I entered and took captive its men and women--does it not also have money, gold, and silver? Is that not money?"

See why I say this is such an evil religion?  And I dont buy the argument that some make by saying "Oh, but this is just 1 man saying dumb things...".  This practice is common in many muslim countries.  If you dont submit to Islam...if you are not a Muslim, then you are an infidel, and your rights are as those of an animal...a pet...a beast of burden.

Why people ignore this and attack Jews and Christians is beyond me.  

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very much so. not enough time to respond in full, but will later.