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John Hancock
Whaddya think of this 'Moo Do': "Throughout his life and even after his death some trademark infringers and trademark counterfeiters have essentially engaged in identity theft by using the Moo Duk Kwan's public identity as their own and have played on its well established reputation in a dishonest manner calculated for their benefit." Statement is part of the USMDKSBD Fed's official submission to wikipedia. Kinda libelous isn't it? I mean...it is stating that everyone who has ever used the Fist and Laurel Leaf logo has done so willfully to commit fraud for profit. Think about that one for a minute. Yeeeeaaaahhhh....that was a real expression of Hwang Kee's philosophy now wasn't it?!
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Samuel Jefferson Frazier III the MDK was not only used with permission but encouraged. they ttied yo Trade Mark Tang Soo Do but failed so after that they TM Moo Duk Kwan Which means Martial Arts Virtue. Then they go about saying others are NOW using it unlawfully. Many masters are distancing themselves from Moo Duk Kwan and sadly also distancing themselves from GM Kee. In my personal opinion the current attacks have done much to destroy the brotherhood of Tang Soo Do. Actually, there were at least 5 independent contemporary organizations to GM Kee. i have a book coming out on the subject.

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Samuel Jefferson Frazier III you are righ. so sad

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John Hancock Uh...you mean GM Hwang don't you? And it wouldn't be hard to distance themselves from him since he passed away in 1992.
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Samuel Jefferson Frazier III yes, i did the Korean reversal

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Samuel Jefferson Frazier III I saw my post. i hate auto correct.

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Gino Melanie I was under the impression that Grand Master Kang Uk Lee (highest ranking student of the Founder still alive and teaching), Chief instructor of Central Moo Duk Kwan in Korea and Director of the Korean Soo Bahk Do from 1964 was the only only allowed to use the Moo Duk Kwan. I belive that he had the copyright when he split with the Founder due to the Founder's lower ranking son taking over in Korea.
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John Hancock ‎"Grand Master Kang Uk Lee (highest ranking student of the Founder still alive and teaching), Chief instructor of Central Moo Duk Kwan in Korea and Director of the Korean Soo Bahk Do from 1964". Whao. Whole lot of embellishment going on there...but you are correct on one point...Master Lee does hold the registration of the name Moo Duk Kwan and it symbol in England. I have no idea how H.C. Hwang intends to handle that one.
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Samuel Jefferson Frazier III Gino, can you share more information on that point? Also, which country was the copyright? In this country would be a trademark

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John Hancock Gino....if you want to see the highest ranking STILL living students of Hwang Kee....look here: http://www.moodukwonkorea.org/
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Frank Clay Samuel - I found this: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E4819686

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Frank Clay This: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E5133723

Intellectual Property Office - Results
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Trade Mark Case Enquiry
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Frank Clay And I think John posted the other a day or so ago.
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Ken Nessworthy Hi Frank, I have been with the EMTF for many years and have had many a conversation with both the president GM Salm and the VP Master Kumar.
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Frank Clay Hi Ken - I'm sorry - I'm not following?
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Ken Nessworthy The history on GM Salm is phenomenal in particular his training with GM Hwang Kee many many moons ago.
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Ken Nessworthy I think there is a few topics going here and I don't want to interject and to get crossed wires :-)
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Frank Clay Ken - are you meaning to talk to John? I wasn't questioning anyone's training or experience.
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John Hancock Now you both are confused. Mr. Nessworthy...who is GM Salm and where can we see the info you are alluding to?
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Frank Clay I'm not confused - I'm lost. LOL.
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Gino Melanie Samuel sorry thats all I know from being informed at the time of the split when I was under both GM Hwang Kee and GM Kang UK Lee.
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Ken Nessworthy ‎@ Frank, I understand I just saw the link posted pertaining to the EMTF badge :-) @ John, GM Salm started training during the 50s in Korea under GM Hwang Kee. More info can be found here http://www.emtf.org/

European Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do Federation
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Welcome to the official website of European Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do Federation (EMTF)
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Gino Melanie John thanks for the link, again I'm just repeating what I was told at the time of the split and that was the reason for the split because GM Lee was at the time the highest ranking and "should" have suceeded GM Hwang Kee. Maybe GM Hee Suk Choi had already left?? What is his Dan Bon? I can only find details on "Choi Wui Suk"
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John Hancock Gm Choi? Not much...just dan bon #3.
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