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Ronald Chand Affirming to this verse esp verse 3, you are saying that God is a God of Jacob?? Consider when Yahweh appeared to Moses in Exodus 3:6
And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God. (There are numerous verses like these). Isn't Yahweh really making this point clear? Consider Genesis 32:28 Then He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” So the God mentioned here is Jacob/Israel's God and not Allah because he arrived around 700AD.
September 15 at 2:51am · Like
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Abdul Khalil No, Jacob can't be Almighty God, it say's Jacob's God, and otherss say Abraham's God, Moses God, David's God and Jesus whom he said is his father, Almighty God is all one God is the same almighty God whom we say Allah. If some say that human being is God then they have false religion. That's what i understand.
September 15 at 10:12am · Like
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Ronald Chand Please re-read the post. It doesn't say that Jacob is God. It says "the God of Jacob".... who renamed him from Jacob to Israel.

Isn't the Allah the word for God in Arabic?? The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (Greek ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos). Concisely speaking in Exodus 3:13–15 God, asked by Moses for His name, replies "I Am That I Am", followed by "I Am", and finally "YHWH" (in Hebrew) was used as "Yahweh" since His name was too Holy to be uttered. Initially it was addressed as "YHWH" since Y H W H were letters. Instead of pronouncing it, the Jews spelt it. Then later it transliterated to "YaHWeH" to better say the spelling of His Most Holy Name by adding vowels.

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.[1] Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[2] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[3] Allah was thought to have had sons[4] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[5] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[6][7] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[7][8] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh".[7]

So the God that the Bible addresses, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; Mohammed much later went on to say that He was Allah. Now, my question to you after accurate deduction is, instead of affirming that "Allah is the only god and Mohammed is his messenger," can you affirm that "There's no God but Yahweh and Christ is His Messenger?"

PS.> Since Allah is the Arabic name for God then you can not make sense of the statement "Allah is the only god and Mohammed is his messenger" because it's like saying that "There's no god but god and Mohammed is his messenger." This is circular reasoning. Circular arguments and/or tautologies are yet another illogical way to argue because they do not bring any new information into the discussion. Rather, they argue what has already been (correctly or incorrectly) stated, and do not back it up with something else. Basically, the reasoner begins with what he or she is trying to end up with.

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[1] See Qur'an 13:16 ; 29:61–63; 31:25; 39:38
[2] L. Gardet, Allah, Encyclopaedia of Islam
[3] See Qur'an 37:158
[4] See Qur'an 6:100
[5] See Qur'an 53:19–22 ; 16:57 ; 37:149
[6] See Qur'an 53:26–27
[7] Gerhard Böwering, God and his Attributes, Encyclopaedia of the Qur'an
[8] See Qur'an 6:109; 10:22; 16:38; 29:65
September 15 at 3:49pm · Like
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Abdul Khalil Your quotation...." Now, my question to you after accurate deduction is, instead of affirming that "Allah is the only god and Mohammed is his messenger," can you affirm that "There's no God but Yahweh and Christ is His Messenger?"...... My friend according to my understanding that Adonai,Hashem, Yahweh and allah is same spiritual figure who created the universe, but your question is wrong, because you have asked me that "That there's no god but Yahweh and Christ is his messenger" No ! should be like this that "there's no God but Yahweh and Jesus is his messenger". The Christ is not messenger, Christ is title describing person,because Christ is not prophet but Jesus is Prophet and messenger. That's why Jews don't believe that Jesus was even Messiah or Christ.only christian and Muslim believe that.
September 16 at 12:42am · Like
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Ronald Chand Please undertand, the word allah is used for god in arabic. Yahweh is the NAME of the Jewish God!! So let me reprase it just to make it clear, that do you think it will be right to affirm that "there's no God but Yahweh and Yeshua was sent by Him?"
September 16 at 12:55am · Like
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Ronald Chand * Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus ....just to avoid confusion.
September 16 at 12:56am · Like
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Abdul Khalil No Ron listen! Yahweh is Jewish God, Adoni is Jewish God ,Hashem is jewish God, Jehova is God, Yeshua is God, Pita Parmeshwar is God,Nirangkaar is God in Hidus and Allah is the same Almighty God for Muslims, Yeshua or Yahweh sent Jesus Spirit only, from above and then Jesus was created here on earth by Joseph and Mary.It was not legal in Nazareth that's why King Herod's law was to to kill them so they went to Egypt to hide and when the time came for the birth of baby that time King Herod died. They got message and came back home and no family members wanted to give Mary place to give birth to baby. That time no one new that Jesus will be born. Joseph and Mary went in the stable and baby was born in stable under the tree. Then Joseph and Mary named baby "EMMANUEL" after birth.they were afraid that who gona accept them.So they planned to keep quiet as fasting to talk. The family were angry on Mary. When they asked Mary that why you did like this bad act. Then she pointed to baby in the cradle.This was the biggest miracle as far as I know, because the Pastors, religious Teachers, alims, Molvies Mufties and many others told so many things about Baby Jesus that when you collect all you can make a book. But my friend that time baby Emmanuel could not say to her mother that he is hungry give me milk or I want to go to toilet and spoke so many holy words in Quran is about 20 to 30 pages.I have separated all and collected that.Ofcourse Jesus did many Miracles but as it is written in books about baby is questionable.Why so much ad ups in Bible and in Quran too. If it was all true then no question to ask. Sorry Ron may be I had said bit extra but in good faith no descrimination on both side. We should seek the truth. Hope you won't mind.We both have not seen any thing only reading the scriptures.
September 18 at 8:42pm · Like
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Ronald Chand Can you provide any verses for the new version of Nativity story that you have come up with? Especially, this tree under which the stable was built. Don't tell me you are marketing for some Christmas Tree company!

Just for you my friend lets look at the Names of God from Bible. If you study these names, you will find that God's names are actually who he is...if u know what I mean..

Names for God found in Sacred Scripture and some of the passages in which these names are found:

Elohim = "God" (plural) as in the Creator: In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1).

El Elyon = "God (singular) Most High": And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of [El Elyon] God the Most High. And He blessed him and said, ''blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand (Genesis 14:18-20).

El Roi = "God Who Sees": Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, 'You are a [El Roi] God who sees'; for she said, 'Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?' Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi [well of the living one who sees me] (Genesis 16:13-14).

El Shaddai = "God Almighty" or "God the All-Sufficient One"; the entomology is so ancient that Biblical scholars do not agree on the meaning of this name: I AM El Shaddai. Live in my presence, be perfect, and I shall grant a covenant between myself and you, and make you very numerous. And Abram bowed to the ground (Genesis 17:2-3).

Yahweh = found in Scripture as the consonants YHWH, known as the "Tetragramaton" is God's holy Covenant name. The letters form a word or words from the verb "to be" and most scholars translate it as "I AM who I AM" or "I will be who I will be", or "the Self-Existent One: Moses said to God, 'Look, if I go to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your ancestors has sent me to you, and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what am I to tell them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM He who is. Tell them that I AM who I am sent you (Exodus 3:13-14).

Adonai = "Lord" (Note: LORD, all in capital letters is a substitution out of reverence for God's covenant name "Yahweh" ): Then Moses said to the LORD, 'Please Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither recently nor in time past, nor since you have spoken to your servant; for I am slow of speech and slow of tongue. And the LORD said to him, 'Who has made men's mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?' (Exodus 4:10-12, NAB).

Yahweh-jireh = "Yahweh will provide" or "I AM will provide": But the angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, 'Abraham, Abraham!' And he said, 'Here I am.' And he said, 'Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, form Me.' Then Abraham raised his eyes and looked, and behind him he saw a ram caught up in the thicket by his horns; and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the place of his son. And Abraham called the name of that place [Yahweh-jireh]-The LORD will provide, as it is said to this day: On the Mountain Yahweh provides (Genesis 22:11-14).

Yahweh-rapha = "Yahweh who heals": If you will give earnest heed to the voice of Yahweh your God and do what He regards as right, if you pay attention to His commandments and keep all His laws, I shall never inflict on you any of the diseases that I inflicted on the Egyptians, for I am Yahweh your Healer [Yahweh-rapha] (Exodus 15:26).

Yahweh–nissi = "Yahweh My Banner": (after willing a battle with God's assistance ) Moses built an altar, and named it Yahweh is My Banner [Yahweh-nissi] ...(Exodus 17:16).

Yahweh-mekoddishkem = "Yahweh Who Sanctifies You": And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, 'But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, "You shall surely observe My Sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh who sanctifies you [Yahweh-mekoddishkem]...(Exodus 31:12).

Yahweh-shalom = "Yahweh is Peace": He said, 'Alas, my Lord, Yahweh! Now I have seen the Angel of Yahweh face to face ' Yahweh answered, 'Peace be with you; have no fear; you will not die.' Gideon built an altar there to Yahweh and called it Yahweh is peace [Yahweh-shalom] (Judges 6:22-24).

Yahweh-sabaoth = "Yahweh of Hosts" (the "hosts" are the army of angels who serve God): Who is He, this king of glory? Yahweh of Hosts [Yahweh-saboath], He is the king of glory (Psalm 46:7, NJB); The LORD of Hosts [Yahweh-sabaoth] is with us; the God of Jacob is our stronghold (Psalms 22:10, NAB).

Yahweh-raah = "Yahweh My Shepherd": The LORD [Yahweh-raah] is my shepherd; I shall not want ... (Psalms 23:1, NAB).

Yahweh-tsidkenu = "Yahweh Our Saving Justice": Look, the days are coming, Yahweh declares, when I shall rise an upright Branch for David; He will reign as king and be wise, doing what is just and upright in the country. In his days Judah will triumph and Israel live in safety, and this is the name He will be called Yahweh-our-saving-justice [Yahweh-tsidkenu] (Jeremiah 23:5-6).

The Names of Jesus in the Book of Revelation:

1:5 The First-born from the dead

1:5 The highest of earthly kings

1:8 The Alpha and Omega (also 22:13)

1:8 Lord God

1:8 The Almighty

1:13 Son of Man

1:17 The First and the Last (also 21:13)

1:18 The Living One

2:18 Son of God

3:14 Witness (also "faithful witness" in 1:5)

4:11 Creator

5:5 Lion of the Tribe of Judah

5:5 Root of David

5:6 The Lamb

7:17 The Shepherd

12:10 Christ (Anointed)

19:11 Faithful and True

19:13 Word of God

19:16 King of Kings

19:16 Lord of Lords

21:13 The Beginning and the End

Please don't make any baseless remarks regarding different names of God or Jesus, confusing them to prove your personal agenda and also don't ask name related questions to waste time....thanks
September 19 at 10:27pm · Edited · Like · 3
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Abdul Khalil My friend did I asked you anything before we started, to help me or answer me, its you who sent a message to me and now you saying don't waste your time. Please don't waste time I know you are a pastor in church.Another thing you wrote above that Abraham about sacrifice his son. Do you think Abraham sacrificed his both sons or only one. In Genesus it tells about Isaac was sacrificed and Muslims say Ismael was sacrificed who is right and what is truth. Isaac or Ishmael. one must be the truth can't be both.i you think I am wasting time then why your are wasting time with me SIR. 2 billion christian say Isaac and 2 billion Muslims say Ishmael, whose story the truth one?
September 20 at 2:04am · Like · 1
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Ronald Chand Quote: [Abdul Khalil My friend did I asked you anything before we started, to help me or answer me, its you who sent a message to me and now you saying don't waste your time.]

I do acknowledge that I was the one who initiated this discussion trying get your honest opinion why you were using our Bible to substantiate your false theories. Infact Mr Azhar Mohd confronted you with your own Quran but you still haven't shown any been able to provide sound answers. Initiating an intellectual discussion is the best I could with your false claims. To come to think of it, I couldn't blow up any Embassy, any towers or cause riots!! This day and age people voice their claims like humans not blow things up!!

Quote: [I know you are a pastor in church]

Really?? Which one?? I am only steward of the Bible, nothing else. The Glory is all Gods'.

Quote: [Do you think Abraham sacrificed his both sons or only one. In Genesus it tells about Isaac was sacrificed and Muslims say Ismael was sacrificed who is right and what is truth. Isaac or Ishmael. one must be the truth can't be both.]

Ishmael was from the slave girl, Hagar. The promise was made to Sarah to bear a son for Abraham. Then why would God want Ishmael to be sacrificed? You must have read in the Bible that Ishmael is mentioned NOWHERE when the patriarchs are named. It always says, ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB not ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL, ISAAC and JACOB!!

To make more clear, you must have also read in the Bible that Hagar and Ishmael were removed from Abraham's household instructed by God.

So that sacrifice had to be Isaac.... But if you say otherwise then give your reasons...
September 20 at 10:53am · Like · 2
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Abdul Khalil You talking about Azhar, ask him if he can give any from quran of his Imam Mahdi and his description and ask him how Azhar's imam Mahdi will look like and the prophecies of Christ from Quran?.
Sunday at 11:02pm · Like