| 05/12/2011 5:49 am |
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Regist.: 11/17/2010 Topics: 296 Posts: 1121
 OFFLINE | At a Tucson Unified School District school board meeting on Tuesday — which was a make-up for one canceled after students chained themselves to board-room desks on April 26 — riot police were called in to restore order after program supporters become restless during the public input section of the meeting.
So what exactly has the protesters upset? The answer may surprise you. As we’ve previously reported, the district isn’t trying to ban the program outright. Instead, it wants to make a controversial history class — that calls for “death to the invaders” and was found to advocate overthrowing the U.S. government — an elective instead of allowing it to substitute for required history credits. That’s it. And the disturbing class would still be available to students.
But that’s not the rhetoric coming from the supporters. They’re trumpeting the message that the district is trying to eliminate the program altogether, a tactic used to stir up anger and action.
Outrage over the program isn’t split down liberal vs. conservative lines. As local citizen journalist Mike Shaw recently found out, some of the biggest advocates of removing the program and class are liberals and Democrats. He also found those who believe the student protest movement is being organized by a state university professor:
According to Shaw, the students are getting support from more then just one academic. While reviewing footage from the April 26 chain-in, he noticed something interesting. According to him, Ward Churchill (the controversial, one-time University of Colorado professor who was fired for his views on 9/11) was spotted supporting the protests:
WATCH THIS VIDEO! you won't believe this is going on in our schools.
you can actually view the curriculum here: http://www.tu4sd.com/p/faqs-ethnic-studies_16.html
here are some pages from the actual curriculum.
especially read this student's writing
and read this.
this is the crap they're teaching our kids! IN-DOC-TRIN-A-TION! the marxist and communist left (which has taken over the left) are splitting us along every line they can! by race, by "class," by beliefs. and they're grooming the next generation of foot soldier! it's happening right in front of us, and we're all asleep to it. every time, and in every case, the public is asleep. |
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| 05/12/2011 12:00 pm |
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Regist.: 02/20/2011 Topics: 132 Posts: 521
 OFFLINE | Damn Arizonan Commies (hey, how often do we get to say that!)
I oppose any of these ethnic studies classes. While I wouldn't have a problem with them simply teaching a regional history class on Mexico or South America (much in the way most high schools have a European history course), ethnic studies courses can engender a stronger since of ethnic identity, which is opposite the idea of equality. |
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| 05/13/2011 7:54 am |
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Regist.: 11/17/2010 Topics: 131 Posts: 466
 OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Bryant Platt: Damn Arizonan Commies (hey, how often do we get to say that!)
Are they better or worse than Illinois Nazis? :-P
I oppose any of these ethnic studies classes. While I wouldn't have a problem with them simply teaching a regional history class on Mexico or South America (much in the way most high schools have a European history course), ethnic studies courses can engender a stronger since of ethnic identity, which is opposite the idea of equality.
Having a sense of ethnic identity is OK, so long as it isn't done through the slant of "we were always the good guys who were cruelly oppressed by The Man, so nothing is ever our fault".
I like the bit in that article though where thy say " The Aztec dancer calls to his ancestor as he pounds his unprotected feet into the cement", and then " Since the Aztec dances without protecting his feet, he connects with mother-earth the same as his ancestors did before him". Three points on that:
a) How is pounding your feet on man-made cement "connecting with mother earth"? Might as well wear shoes for all the "mother earth contact" you're making there dude...
b) The Aztecs didn't dance barefoot to make contact with the earth, they did it because they didn't wear shoes, ever.
c) the Aztecs didn't believe in any of this hippy-wicca-new-age mother-earth/gaia bullshit, they believed in angry vengeful gods who needed to be appeased by human sacrifices. |
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| 05/13/2011 9:01 am |
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Regist.: 11/20/2010 Topics: 63 Posts: 949
 OFFLINE | I've been kinda watching this too. Is it any surprise that Ward Churchill is right in the middle of this? That man is an anti-American activist...and the fact that he has worked in our colleges (and apparently is in the high school system now) is a good example of how kids are being indoctrinated with his warped ideas. dod, his presence is not by accident I assure you. He is part of a movement that is deliberately trying to make high school kids into future foot soldiers for whatever his cause is.
AND...I would imagine he could care less if the class is mandatory or an elective. What he does care bout is making as much noise as he can. |
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| 05/13/2011 12:06 pm |
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| 05/14/2011 1:39 am |
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Regist.: 04/10/2011 Topics: 12 Posts: 284
 OFFLINE | In a recent online poll, 14% of Americans are in favor of banning the American flag from schools. WTF is up with that??? |
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| 05/14/2011 5:53 pm |
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Regist.: 11/20/2010 Topics: 63 Posts: 949
 OFFLINE | MArk, I'mn just guessing, but I think some of our youth have been indoctrinated by socialist professors and/or teachers in the classroom. I think this has been going on for 25 years of more. And kids grow up and become parents. And since the parents were indoctrinated by socialist teachers in some schools, they teach their own kids, who go to schools with similar teachers, etc.
When a kid grows up, at some point they begin to think for themselves. But quite often, the rely on their background and environment to guide them. So what mom and dad did...(or, if the rebel as most do) what their teachers or mentors did and taught, impacts them greatly. If we take the flag out of our schools, and stop saying the pledge of allegiance, I think it has an impact. More on some than others I guess.
And I offer proof of this by pointing out how some wanted to remove prayer from our schools. Yes, they use the so called 'separation of church and state'...but there's still a reason they want it out. Because if it were just some vague letter than Jefferson wrote, I doubt most would make such a big deal about it. So there has to be a larger reason they want to remove prayer from our schools. And imo, this has also extended to the flag and patriotism. Some appear to want to remove patriotic feelings from our society.
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| 05/14/2011 8:17 pm |
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Regist.: 02/20/2011 Topics: 132 Posts: 521
 OFFLINE | Originally Posted by Dennis Young: MArk, I'mn just guessing, but I think some of our youth have been indoctrinated by socialist professors and/or teachers in the classroom. I think this has been going on for 25 years of more. And kids grow up and become parents. And since the parents were indoctrinated by socialist teachers in some schools, they teach their own kids, who go to schools with similar teachers, etc.
When a kid grows up, at some point they begin to think for themselves. But quite often, the rely on their background and environment to guide them. So what mom and dad did...(or, if the rebel as most do) what their teachers or mentors did and taught, impacts them greatly. If we take the flag out of our schools, and stop saying the pledge of allegiance, I think it has an impact. More on some than others I guess.
And I offer proof of this by pointing out how some wanted to remove prayer from our schools. Yes, they use the so called 'separation of church and state'...but there's still a reason they want it out. Because if it were just some vague letter than Jefferson wrote, I doubt most would make such a big deal about it. So there has to be a larger reason they want to remove prayer from our schools. And imo, this has also extended to the flag and patriotism. Some appear to want to remove patriotic feelings from our society.
Thank God this has failed so far in Louisiana and the South. 
I don't understand why anyone would want to ban the American flag or the Pledge of Allegiance (at least in its pre-1954 form) from public schools. Although I see no virtue in excessive patriotism (being hostile to anything not American simply because it isn't American), I think one should be proud of and loyal to their country (if not always their leaders). I see nothing wrong with with encouraging kids to take pride in where they are from, or teaching them they have some form of obligation to their nation.
I do understand the sentiments of those who do not want Christianity (or Islam, Judaism, Pastafarianism, etc) shoved down both their children's and their own throats by their government. This has nothing to do with some socialist conspiracy and I find the suggestion that 'opposition to school prayer is the result indoctrination' very ironic. The US Constitution's explicit prohibition on the establishment of a religion was designed to insure the American people the right to choose which, if any, religion to follow without congressional influence. The 14th amendment explicitly forbids the states from abridging the privileges and immunities awarded the People under the US Constitution. The way may of us view it, the institution of prayer in public schools is in effect the establishment of an official religion in the school (whichever religion the prayer fell under), and as such abridges the immunity awarded to the people under the Constitution. I don't see how standing up for one's constitutional rights is 'Socialist.' |
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