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Science Deniers: Hand Over Your Cellphones!
06/03/2011 12:45 pm

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Science Deniers: Hand Over Your Cellphones!

By Adam Frank

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Science says the sun will rise again tomorrow.

I have a few friends who are more than a little fond of New Age philosophies. From alien visitations to the healing power of eskimo rituals, there isn't a far-out idea they haven't met and loved. We can get into pretty heated arguments sometimes about these beliefs. What is most frustrating for me is that, ultimately, it costs them nothing to hold fast to these crazy (in my opinion) ideas.

There is no price for them to pay for believing that extraterrestrials built Stonehenge or that the spirit of prehistoric warriors can speak through living "channelers." They still enjoy the fruits of science, from iPads to modern medicine, even as they profess belief in ideas without any sound basis. This failure to walk-the-walk is also something seen in people who deny the weight of scientific evidence on a variety of topics.

From creationists who deny the veracity of evolution to climate deniers who hold global warming is a hoax, there is vocal minority out there who see scientific activity as buffet of ideas. They believe they are free to choose which parts of scientific endeavor to believe and which parts to reject. But, in truth, their actions belie their words. Living in a culture saturated with science, they routinely accept its authority on matters of life and death. Only when the consequences of science appear remote are they willing to take their politically charged stands against mountains of evidence and decades of effort.


Last Thursday, Ursula asked "What Motivates Climate Change Deniers" and invited people to explain their positions in the face so much evidence and so strong a consensus on the part of the scientists who spend their life's studying the subject. More than 700 comments were posted (a new record for this blog).

Reviewing these responses I found a few that were truly well informed and were asking thoughtful questions that represented skepticism, not denial. Skepticism is good. It's the most important quality of scientific activity. Some of the skeptic's questions lie at the frontiers of current climate research and remain unknowns.

Many of the skeptics' questions had, however, already been addressed many times and in many ways by scientific literature on the subject. Bringing those facets of the research out into the light for public consumption is one the challenges the climate-science community faces as it moves forward.

Too many of the responses to Ursula's post, however, had nothing to do with an attempt to understand how climate science (or any science) reaches its conclusions. Flames about Al Gore, the "climate gate" e-mails and the hockey stick data were trotted out again and again. These are all talking points intended to avoid real engagement with the scientific process — the experiments, the data collection, and the journal articles where ideas are fought out in the face of evidence or mathematical consistency. For these people the scientific process itself is what needs to be denied.

"Corruption" they say, "It's all corruption."

In their worldview the scientists are in it for the money or the fame or the power. Scientists are overstating the case. They are ignoring other evidence. The science itself is not just wrong, it's purposely wrong and designed only to fool the general public. How does that sentiment line up with their every day dependence on science for the miracles of modern life? Like my New Age friends and their alien pyramid builders, science deniers talk one game and play another.

Climate science is corrupt, the deniers tell us. But they have no problem with medical science when it tells them to take pills for high blood pressure. If they were given a diagnosis of treatable cancer that required major surgery, would they damn the doctors as fraudulent fools? Would they seek out a well-known alternative practitioner and accept his treatment, even when 100 other doctors told him the science was clear and the operation necessary?

This situation with climate science bears a scary similarity to battles over evolution. Evolution, they claim, is "just a theory;" it can be rejected. But general relativity (GR) is "just a theory" too and yet the evolution deniers don't mind having their airliners guided by GPS systems dependent on GR.

In all cases deniers allow personal political, or religious, belief on very specific issues to trump a scientific process that shapes every other aspect of their lives. They are all-too willing to allow scientific authority to determine the contours of their life in everything from food safety to Internet protocols. They demur to the painstaking effort and heroic study of nature scientists give to their subjects in a thousand, thousand other domains of their life, without complaint.

These other areas of scientific inquiry are given a pass from the deniers either because they don't conflict with pre-established beliefs or because these deniers have been granted the luxury of ignorance in our world of technological miracles. They never have to spend a moment thinking about how the electric current makes it to their computers or how radio waves animate their favorite talk-radio show. Perhaps its time for them to step up and take their words seriously.

Science is not a lunch buffet. Yes, the individual results on small, focused issues like the coffee-bad/coffee-good debate may flip back and forth. When research domains mature into overarching paradigms, however, its time to take notice.

Evolution? The answer is "Yes". Some form of anthropogenic climate change? As best as the world's scientific community can tell: yes as well!

Beyond that that "yes" the questions are all about policy, not science. People need to make that distinction. If they can't, then it's time, perhaps, for them to be consistent. Don't pick and choose between the science you like and the ones you deny. Chose between science and no science at all.

Hand in your cell phones, please.
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06/04/2011 7:29 am

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was reading something similar to this the other day: "The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science"

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney

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To this I would say, "To all you climate alarmists that would ridicule others in such a way, please walk everywhere you go. Do not consume any store bought meat or produce products. Live without heating or cooling. Do not use or buy anything with paints, dyes or varnish. Quit taking medications. Do not use plastics or anything made from welding procedures or solder. Pretty much, live like it was still the early 1800's or just STFU."

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Can one even count how many times science has been wrong???

Even things that were a "consensus" had to be revised and changed many times. If you wanna give me the whole picture on global climate, give me the whole picture and not just a few thousand year snapshot. Tell us the whole truth about a warmer planet. Use the entire fossil record in doing so. Let us realize that a warmer planet has historically been a lusher planet that can sustain more life and quit using a white bear as a mascot when that same white bear has a booming population at the present time.
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I'm using my cell phone to pop the popcorn.  :-)
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06/09/2011 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:
To this I would say, "To all you climate alarmists that would ridicule others in such a way, please walk everywhere you go. Do not consume any store bought meat or produce products. Live without heating or cooling. Do not use or buy anything with paints, dyes or varnish. Quit taking medications. Do not use plastics or anything made from welding procedures or solder. Pretty much, live like it was still the early 1800's or just STFU."



That has nothing to do with the science, that has to do with policy.  The article made pains to distinguish the two.  Beyond that, on the policy side the concern is with burning fuels that release CO and CO2, so only your first three points are at all relevant.  As for the first three, I don't think its realistic to think that we could do away with fossil fuels as energy sources any time soon, however there are many ways to dramatically reduce our use of them.  I think personal solar would be a very pragmatic way to produce electricity and heat water for most Americans (with the seasonal exception of Alaska; also probably wouldn't go very far in areas with high rise buildings, but that represents a very small part of our infrastructure), and would greatly reduce the amount of energy needed from central power plants.  The only down side is that there is a bit of an up-front cost, however as the technology improves the prices should continue to come down.


Question:

Can one even count how many times science has been wrong???

Even things that were a "consensus" had to be revised and changed many times.



Come on Mark, that's a fallacy and you know it.  You can't logically say 'well early chemists were wrong about alchemy, so modern medicine must be a fraud.'  If you have a better way of explaining the data, publish it.  The scientific community would love to hear a better explanation.

If you wanna give me the whole picture on global climate, give me the whole picture and not just a few thousand year snapshot. Tell us the whole truth about a warmer planet. Use the entire fossil record in doing so.



No one has been concealing anything!  Paleoclimatology is a major field of study and is extensively published.  All you have to do is make an effort to look it up.  The reason you don't see people citing these studies very often is because they aren't really relevant to the current climate.  Studies have shown that global climate can change for many reasons, including tectonics and the earth's proximity to the sun.  Below are some graphs.  Be sure to mind the scales.



Full paper:  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/292/5517/686.short
< EDIT > Dang it, I put 'Holocene' when I should have put 'Pleistocene.'  Please forgive my sloppy Illustrator work.  The Holocene began 10,000 years ago, the Pleistocene ranged from 2.5 Ma - 10,000 Ka.  This graph has it beginning later because it was made in 2001.  We've since moved the cut-off up.  < /Edit >


Note the 2004 temperature.

Let us realize that a warmer planet has historically been a lusher planet that can sustain more life and quit using a white bear as a mascot when that same white bear has a booming population at the present time.



Lusher?  Really? More life?  If I recall correctly the Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum was marked by mass extinctions.  More over, the current species are adapted to particular climates, and geologic history shows that rapid climate change tends to correlate with extinctions.

The polar bear is an emotional appeal perpetrated by a bunch of tree huggers and has little to do with climate science.

Here is a good site if you want public friendly information:  http://climate.nasa.gov/
If you want something a bit more advanced try searching google scholar for peer-reviewed material.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

That has nothing to do with the science, that has to do with policy.  The article made pains to distinguish the two.  Beyond that, on the policy side the concern is with burning fuels that release CO and CO2, so only your first three points are at all relevant.  As for the first three, I don't think its realistic to think that we could do away with fossil fuels as energy sources any time soon, however there are many ways to dramatically reduce our use of them.  I think personal solar would be a very pragmatic way to produce electricity and heat water for most Americans (with the seasonal exception of Alaska; also probably wouldn't go very far in areas with high rise buildings, but that represents a very small part of our infrastructure), and would greatly reduce the amount of energy needed from central power plants.  The only down side is that there is a bit of an up-front cost, however as the technology improves the prices should continue to come down.



The article really had no point other than to ridicule a certain mindset. As for the whole article, I do not believe that it is realistic for individuals to forget all science just because they question one or two aspects just as you feel it is unreasonable stop contributing to the greenhouse effect.

All points are valid if we take manufacturing processes into account. Before we can get things that make modern life possible from almost every angle imaginable, we must first "crack" the hydrocarbons.

Person solar??? Hehehe, personal use of fossil fuels is a mere drop. We all know that powering the towering structures of our cities puts out way more greenhouse gases than all individuals combined.



Come on Mark, that's a fallacy and you know it.  You can't logically say 'well early chemists were wrong about alchemy, so modern medicine must be a fraud.'  If you have a better way of explaining the data, publish it.  The scientific community would love to hear a better explanation.



And you know it isn't. Tell me again just how many times in the past few decades our consensus view on black holes has changed. Hell our consensus view of climate has changed in just the past 30 years.


No one has been concealing anything!  Paleoclimatology is a major field of study and is extensively published.  All you have to do is make an effort to look it up.  The reason you don't see people citing these studies very often is because they aren't really relevant to the current climate.  Studies have shown that global climate can change for many reasons, including tectonics and the earth's proximity to the sun.  Below are some graphs.  Be sure to mind the scales.



Reading some of that material on Paleoclimatology is where I got my present day view and as you know has been one of my main points from the get-go.



Lusher?  Really? More life?  If I recall correctly the Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum was marked by mass extinctions.  More over, the current species are adapted to particular climates, and geologic history shows that rapid climate change tends to correlate with extinctions.



That is apples to oranges isn't it. We are nowhere even close to the average temps of the times we find the largest diversity of life on this planet. In fact we are what.....20% cooler. As far as I know climate has never changed gradually, but is almost always fairly quick after a certain tipping point is reached. I guarantee that this will most assuredly mean extinctions, maybe even humans, but as a scientist you should know that extinction is actually a good thing. If past hominids did not go extinct, then where would we be??? I am not scared. Hominids have shown to be very adaptable. Most assuredly we will evolve into something else. Other species will evolve and fill in the gaps left.

Bottom line, I find it humorous that science would now be chiding us when none of this would have happened without science. Remember industry and medicine is nothing more than the application of science. Without the industry that science gave us and without the population boom caused by the medicine science has given us.......would we be hearing of this???

As I have said before, science has come closer to destroying us than anything else ever has. Considering that, the intellectuals that write dribble like that article be can get off their high-horse and STFU.
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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:

As I have said before, science has come closer to destroying us than anything else ever has.

science when coupled with the natural inclinations of man
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