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Round 2 in the war against non Federation members using the MDK fist logo.
On behalf of the federation Mr. Duncan has been getting facebook pages shut down that prominently show the MDK fist logo and websites as well. We are talking studio pages, group pages you name it if it has the MDK Logo you're considered fair game.

Any of you that are using this logo get ready its coming your way. Spread the word and seriously think of the alternate logo I designed as an option you can use this and customize it with your academy's name, style etc. There are only a few basic rules (can' be a felon for an example).

I would hate to see anyone else be a casualty of this war.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3473714357305&set=o.287136138052050&type=3&theater

This is it. Unless anyone else has something to add. Keep in mind the final file...
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By: Dan Segarra
Like ·  · Unfollow Post · 21 hours ago near Oceanside
Eric Kovaleski and Becky Jay like this.

Dan Segarra Just a clarification. I'm not saying replace your patch on your chest with this symbol. You could if you want to. I recommend to slap it somewhere once I finalize it. The more that use it the more recognition it will receive the more it will come back to you. But get ready if you are using the MDK logo they are coming for you.
21 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz Bill Diaz http://seikenkarate.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/karate-symbology/http://www.freewebs.com/hakudaryukempojutsu/hakudaryumon.htmhttp://www.123rf.com/photo_11932204_fist-poster-martial-arts-colored-emblem-symbol-karate-style-japan-korea-okinawa-china-brazil-usa-vec.htmlhttp://ninja-gear.com/karatefistonblackheadband.aspx Variatons of that can be found everywhere. Century has an almost exact replica in their magazines. Am I missing something here?
http://seikenkarate.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/karate-symbology/http://www.freewebs.com/hakudaryukempo
seikenkarate.wordpress.com
20 hours ago · Like ·

Dan Segarra concerning this new logo or the fact that most of those you listed predate the MDK logo?
20 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz Yes, predated that's my point.
20 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra Well the Kovaleski's sure have something to share with their lawyers eh? Since they are being sued in federal court.
20 hours ago · Edited · Like

Bill Diaz lol...................I spoke with Eric a couple of months ago. It would like Funakoshi's Shoto Kan saying "hey your book looks a lot like mine.
20 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra I don't know the intricacies of copyright law but it was pretty obvious to me that GM Hwang Kee let just say was 'inspired' by some of these earlier MA logos. Anyone denying that is either blind or stupid.
20 hours ago · Like · 1

Dan Segarra Since your great at ferreting out these earlier logos how about you shoot me some links and I will compile them and post them. Try to find out if they predated the MDK logo otherwise it's a moot point. I think it's about time the truth came out about this.
20 hours ago · Like · 1

Bill Diaz Checkout " Karate-Do Kyohan "
by Gichin Funakoshi
20 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz A good copyright lawyer will figure it out. They lost the Tang Soo Do name for a reason.
20 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz Look at this one http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Accessories_Patch_Tangsoodo_Fist_p/acc-6166-a1.htm

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Bill Diaz http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Accessories_Patch_Tangsoodo_Fist_p/acc-6168-a1.htm

Martial Arts Accessories Patch Tangsoodo Fist Korea
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Bill Diaz http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Accessories_Patch_Moodukkwan_Fist_p/acc-6165-a1.htm

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Bill Diaz http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/Martial_Arts_Accessories_Patch_Moodukkwan_Fist_p/acc-6169-a1.htm

Martial Arts Accessories Patch Moodukkwan Fist Navy
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Bill Diaz http://www.awma.com/productdetail/1509-t-shirt-tang-soo-do-fist-navy.html

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Navy tee w/ Tang Soo Do design on front. 50/50 cotton/polyester blend material. Available in sizes S-XL.
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Bill Diaz http://www.kochmartialarts.net/servlet/the-5576/tang-soo-do-pin%2C/Detail

AWMA® Moo Duk Kwan Pin at Koch Martial Arts & Fitness Supply
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Bill Diaz http://www.blackbeltshop.com/t-shirt_-_tang_soo_do_fist_3_inch.htm

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20 hours ago · Like ·

Bill Diaz Seriously, there is a ton of this stuff out there. Who wants it?
20 hours ago · Like

Charlie Clingan I wonder if the mdk is possibly receiving royalties from these sales? Then what turning around and suing the ppl who buy them!
20 hours ago via mobile · Like

Bill Diaz I don’t believe that. They certainly have a right to protect what they believe is theirs. When I was a member I was surprised to find out Tang Soo Do did not belong to us. The question is does this fist and leaves belong to them exclusively or only in a specific form?
I’m more puzzled that anyone would want to use it at all.
19 hours ago · Like

John Hancock Well...I'm guessing I have blocked whoever you are talking to Dan. Not that I need to know who it is or what they are saying,,,,but I would be curious to see these logos you are talking about. I'm currently working on a little side project myself involving searching out MDK logos in current use.
18 hours ago · Like

Russell Boon I wear the black MDK patch on my arm to honour Hwang Kee and my background. Better take it off now!!
14 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Robert C. Corley It makes you wonder is the Fed. going after awma next LOL
11 hours ago · Like · 1

Frank Tsai Mr Diaz, I could not find the karate logo from the first link, but found some from my own googling. http://seikenkarate.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/karate-symbology/ Well it may be true that the MDK logo may have been inspired by others, it seems the unique distinction of the MDK is the scroll since GM HK emphasized scholarship. In my opinion, for those that have history and still honor GMHK and the MDK, then wear it privately and keep it to yourself ( i know some have it tatoo'd ). Just do not advertise or market it publicly in the media.

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11 hours ago · Like ·

John Luiza I think the wikipedia page takedown was based on text copying. Thankfully they have real people involved in examining the issue and have been good at putting pages back up.
10 hours ago · Like

Dae Kyu Chang If you cannot follow the Moo-Do principles, how can you expect your members to learn the integrity from you?

I am not interested sharing the misleading informations you are releasing. Please remove my name from your list. Thank you. dkchang
5 hours ago via  · Like

Frank Clay DK Chang - If you are still here and can see this - what is it that is misleading?
5 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra Master Chang had this to say:
Dae Kyu Chang If you cannot follow the Moo-Do principles, how can you expect your members to learn the integrity from you?

I am not interested sharing the misleading informations you are releasing. Please remove my name from your list. Thank you. dkchang

This is a pity because I really like Master Chang. I removed him from the list as he requested. But his accusations demonstrate what is wrong with the federation leadership.

How did me warning non members NOT to use the MDK fist logo not Moo Do?

How was my response about Phil Duncan changing our banner not Moo Do?

How was my attempt to help resolve the war by creating a new logo so the federation could save time, money and energy and actually help them not Moo Do?

I think Master Changs understanding of Moo Do is one sided and flawed as well including his definition of Human Relations.

Sadly Master Chang whom I like immensely thinks that Human Relations & Moo Do means just within the federation.
4 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz There is a difference between what we in the West see as Moo Do comparred to the East. We use the same terms but understand it differently.
4 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra The federation had the Kovaleskis FB page shut down. This is accurate information. They are actively engaged in pursuing what they believe is fraudulent use of their logo and term Moo Duk Kwan (more on this later I am doing some research) Note I did not say they are wrong/right etc. I am just stating they are going to battle, war, court whatever you want to call it with those they believe are using their logo.
4 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra My definition of Moo Do meant martial way. Conducting yourself honestly and masterfully, not screwing others over etc. All along I thought that's what it represented and it's been the opposite. Maybe I don't know, they think it's a friendly gesture to sue someone, get their website shut down, go on other peoples sites and change their banner, exaggerate peoples involvement. Ohh... I finally get it. Stupid me. What the hell was I thinking.
4 hours ago · Edited · Like

Rick Brown There is a reason that the greatest practioners left the MDK and they are saddled with the remnants of a once great organization
4 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz Master Chang is a decent man. Speak to him privately. If there is a misunderstanding it can be resolved.
4 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz That's simply inaccurate. They have a lot of great people still involved.
4 hours ago · Edited · Like

Rick Brown Great! Can you list some of them?
4 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra ‎@Bill Master Chang is a wonderful person, I truly like him, always have. He's completely wrong here. I'm not attacking him. But his accusation of my actions not being Moo Do just confirm what I've been saying. Go do a google search for Moo Duk Kwan, Hwang Kee, Soo Bahk Do you will get: Investigation of potential copyright issue. Go look for the Kovaleski's organizations pages they are gone. I'm not imagining these things.
4 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz I met a young man here in the Northwest from Oregon Mdk, Master Jared Rosenthal. He is a great practisioner and a decent young man. He has a great school in Lake Owesgo...........theree are others.
4 hours ago · Like · 1

Dan Segarra ‎@ Rick I agree with Bill, there are MANY good people. Listing them would take too long and involve them in this debate which is something we should not do. It is HARD for these good folks to deal with these issues because the leadership is setting that example. They are conflicted by this stuff.
4 hours ago · Like · 1

Jason Ladd Instead of creating a 'homecoming' of sorts for those of us with who trace our lineage through the MDK and KJN HWANG KEE people like this Phil Duncan have decided that lawsuits and the resulting alienation is a better choice. I totally understand protection of property, ideas, symbols, etc but I see all this as pretty sad.
4 hours ago via mobile · Like

Rick Brown Wasn't there a Unification Tour a few years ago where the MDK reached out to all practioners of TSD/SBD?
4 hours ago · Like

Robert C. Corley It was just a way to get money
4 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra Jared is a great young man, P.J there are lots of great members in the organization. Unfortunately for them Phil is a long ways off from retiring.
4 hours ago · Like · 1

Bill Diaz The MDK does not have a monopoly on crappy martial arts. There's plenty of that going around.
4 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1

Matthew Becker I think their understanding of the Jang Kap Kwan and the Peet Cha Gi are both good evidence of a monopoly.
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Bill Diaz I'm sure that means something to you?
3 hours ago · Like

Dan Segarra I'm sure that sounded good in his head LOL!
3 hours ago · Like

Bill Diaz ‎:-)

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John Hancock OH, PLEEEESSEEE...allow me to channel the TAC.... How did me warning non members NOT to use the MDK fist logo not Moo Do?
-because you interfered with the master plan we have developed for global domination
How was my response about Phil ...
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11 hours ago · Like · 1

John Hancock Com'on...you know Phil is sitting up there in his office at fed HQ....petting that hairless cat.
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John Hancock Damn....I should have thought of this before. If they ever succeed in firing him up there...they better check the closets to see if there is a clone of Phil in one of them.....1/8th his size.....'Mini 'D'"
11 hours ago · Like · 1

Dan Segarra Oh shoot me...
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Bill Diaz I think that term,"Oh shoot me", is copyrighted..................:-)
9 hours ago · Like · 2

Michael Steinke Just some observations from a complete outsider...

Any federation that drives a consummate gentleman and accomplished martial artist like Dan Segarra away should do some serious internal soul searching for problems, rather than external fi...
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2 hours ago · Like

Robert C. Corley Didn"t GM Hwang Kee change the name to Soo Bahk Do because of all the other Koreans riding on his lifes work with out the respect of asking or some thing like that.
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Frank Clay Robert - I'm not sure where you got that but Chung Do Kwan actually opened first under Governor Abe. It too was called Tang Soo Do. Interestingly, I believe there was some persectuion for a time of its leadership as they were considered Jap...
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David Doju Tenedorio I believe MAster Corley is referring to the name change in The USA..We were TSD for soo many years..The name change was voted down but pushed anyway without the consent of the members
31 minutes ago · Like

John Hancock The organization started out as the United States Tang Soo Do Association, then it became the United States Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation in 1975. It was changed to the United States Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation in 1995. Give it about a year and it will be generally known as 'Them assholes in New Jersey'.
28 minutes ago · Like · 1

Frank Clay LOL - gotcha John - thanks for the context.
25 minutes ago · Like

Matthew Becker They should have changed the patch when they changed the name in 1995.
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John Hancock Attention K Mart Shoppers. Mr. Matthew Becker has won our Gayla Jubilee Grand Prize for making the smartest comment so far in this thread!
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