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06/13/2011 6:04 am

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Name change for Dam Busters dog


Saturday June 11 2011
Stephen Fry has revealed he is changing the name of the dog in his remake of movie classic The Dam Busters to avoid offence.

The real-life animal, and that in the 1955 film, had a notoriously offensive name - which was also used as a codeword in key scenes of the film.

But Fry - who is writing the screenplay - said the dog would no longer be called the "n-word" but is likely to be called "Digger".

The movie tells the story of the bouncing bomb created by Barnes Wallis during the Second World War to demolish German dams.

The dog - owned by wing commander Guy Gibson - was the mascot for RAF 617 squadron which carried out the raids.

Fry said it would be unacceptable for audiences if they stuck with the original. "I think there is no question in America that you could ever have a dog called the n-word," he said.

"It is no good saying it was the Latin for black and it didn't have the meaning that it has now, you just can't go back. You can go to RAF Scampton and see his grave and there he is with his name."

Fry pointed out that the dog's role was an "important part" of the film, not only because it was run over before the first raid which was seen as a bad omen, but the name figured in the plot.

In an interview with Simon Mayo and Mark Kermode for Radio 5 Live, he said: "The name of the dog was a code word to show that the Merner dam had been successfully breached.

"So you're constantly hearing 'n-word, n-word, n-word'. Everyone's going 'hooray, n-word'. There's a whole scene in which Barnes Wallis is punching the air and everybody is thrilled and shouting 'N' and obviously that's just not going to happen now. Digger seems okay, I reckon," he added.

So, a rapper is allowed say "****" on his albums, but if anyone else uses it, even in a historical context, it's racist? I reckon the kind of ppl who would get offended at that, in the context it's used the movie, are the kind of ppl who are professionally offended at pretty much everything (like the guy a while back who got offended at the term "black hole").

Oh, and you're not allowed use any combination of the words "liberal", "media" and "bias" in any replies - think about it as a thought experiment on coming up with an argument that doesn't use the usual cliches :-p  
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06/13/2011 6:48 am

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Actually I saw something pretty interesting about this on the news yesterday.  They were talking about the novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.....and how SOME school districts were taking it off of their "read" list because of some of the words in the novel.  Now the publishing company has "changed" the "n" word and reprinted the novel.


As we first reported in March, a publishing company in Alabama says that schools don't have to change their reading list because they changed Huckleberry Finn. Their newly released edition removes the N-word and replaces it with "slave." It's a bold move for what is considered one of the greatest works in American history.


Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn is a classic set before the Civil War. The story is told by Huck, a white boy escaping an abusive father, and about his adventures with a black man named Jim, escaping slavery.  Huckleberry Finn is set along the Mississippi River. In it, Twain used the N-word 219 times. To some people, the word gets in the way of the story's powerful message against slavery; to others, Twain is simply capturing the way people talked back then.

"Are you censoring Twain?" correspondent Byron Pitts asked Randall Williams, co-owner and editor of NewSouth Books, publishers of the sanitized edition of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn that replaces the N-word with the word "slave."  "We certainly are accused of censoring Twain," Williams replied.

It's aimed at schools that already ban the book, though no one knows how many have. Williams says they are not trying replace Twain's original, N-word included.   "If you can have the discussion and you're comfortable havin' the discussion, have it. Have it with it in there. But if you're not comfortable with that, then here's an alternative for you to use. And I would argue to you that it's still powerful," Williams said.

The new edition drew powerful reactions from Twain scholars, the press and ordinary readers - and it's worth noting most of the articles don't spell out the word, either.  The new edition drew powerful reactions from Twain scholars, the press and ordinary readers - and it's worth noting most of the articles don't spell out the word, either.

"What's it say that people have been so passionate about it?" Pitts asked.  "I think it says that race continues to be a volatile and divisive subject," Williams said.  In this passage, Huck says the word three times in two sentences: "Jim was monstrous proud about it and he got so he couldn't hardly notice the other niggers. Niggers come miles to hear Jim tell about it and he was more looked up to than any **** in that country."

"What do you think of Huckleberry Finn?" Pitts asked author David Bradley, who teaches at the University of Oregon.  "It's a great book. It's one of the greatest books in American literature," Bradley replied.  He says the key to understanding Huckleberry Finn is through Twain's use of language, as the friendship between Huck and Jim unfolds.  "When Huck comes back to that raft, he says, 'They're after us.' He doesn't say, 'They're after you.' He says, 'They're after us.' And that's the moment when it becomes about the American dilemma, it becomes about, 'Are we gonna get along?'" Bradley said.

School districts struggling to teach Huckleberry Finn have called in Bradley. He believes strongly in teaching Twain's original text.  "One of the first things I do is I make everybody say it out loud about six or seven times," Bradley said.  "The N-word?" Pitts asked.  "Yeah, '****.' Get over it," Bradley replied, laughing. "You know. Now let's talk about the book."

"The publisher says they are providing a service," Pitts told David Bradley.  "They are," Bradley said.  "There are school districts that won't deal with Huckleberry Finn, and they remove this word and now they're able to have their students read and deal with Huckleberry Finn," Pitts remarked.  
"No. It's not Huckleberry Finn anymore," Bradley said. "We're talkin' about students: What are we teaching them? This may be their first encounter with slavery. It shouldn't be their only one. But that's one of the reasons we can't mess around with it. There is a reality there that you cannot avoid."

"But do you lose that reality when you take out the N-word and replace it with 'slave'?" Pitts asked.  "Yeah. 'Slave' is a condition. I mean, anybody can be a slave. And it's nothin' for anybody to be ashamed of. But '****' has to do with shame. '****' has to do with calling somebody something. '****' was what made slavery possible," Bradley explained.  Randall Williams told Pitts the word is poison.

Asked if he used the word, Williams said, "Oh, I used to. I grew up sayin' the word. It was all I knew. I never gave it any thought."  Williams runs NewSouth Books in Montgomery, Ala. - cradle of the Confederacy and where Jim Crow was once king.  Williams, a son of Alabama, says the civil rights movement changed him as it did much of the South. For him, the subject of race and the N-word goes beyond any debate about the book. It's also about how far the South has come.  "We learned to think differently about it and thank God we did," Williams told Pitts. "I mean the movement didn't just free, you know, black southerners. I mean it freed white southerners too."  "Freed you from?" Pitts asked.  "Freed us from the sin of...you know, this...a big sin," Williams said.

"Kids use it... artists use it, the black rap artists use it, as you know, as I well know. Brothers use it all the time...when they talk to each other," Pitts said to David Bradley.  Bradley told Pitts, "I love it."

"'You're my ****, man.' Look, in every group, there are words that you use, there are inflections, there is knowledge about what a word means to you, or to me, or how I mean it when I say it that is not an insult. I think one of the things that offends white people about it is that they can't say it. They say, 'Well, is it because of my inflection, or is it because...' It's, 'No, because you're not us.' Jeff Foxworthy says, you know, 'You can't make jokes about a redneck unless you are one.' You can't say '****' unless you are one, and unless you are willing to accept everything that goes with it, which is a lot of good stuff, you know? And that's what they want, they want that good stuff," Bradley said.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/12/60minutes/main20066924.shtml#ixzz1P9hZLjbn


Wonder if we've become too "sensitive" to that word -- as I don't hear too many white people complaining about being called "honkey" or "cracker"...which they are called by black people.

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06/13/2011 8:49 am

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Originally Posted by Mary Kirkpatrick:

Wonder if we've become too "sensitive" to that word -- as I don't hear too many white people complaining about being called "honkey" or "cracker"...which they are called by black people.



Hee hee, this reminded me of a quote from "Good Morning Vietnam":

"If you kick out the gooks, the next thing, you have to kick out the chinks, the spicks, the spooks and the kikes. All that's gonna be left in here are a couple of brain-dead rednecks.[/1]
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wow, big topic. i think the PC culture has become too sensitive to a ton of words, but particularly that one. i mean, you can't take back history. you can't rewrite it, and erase words from existence, IMO. now personally, i think people should have some common decency and discretion with such words, but at the same time, i think there needs to be some education on the N word, and it's history, and that it should be dealt with matter of factly. i do think in part, the double standard surrounding black folk and that word is part of their reclaiming it, yet as a whole, i dislike double standards at all, particularly surrounding anyone with any kind of minority status. i don't think black people in particular do themselves any favors by using the word so loosely, and what i really don't like is when those with minority status do the same thing to what's seen as the majority, that they won't stand for themselves.

summing this up, i don't ever like it when the rules only apply to a certain group. in any case, i think "the rules" should apply to everyone...always.
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Just points out how people's "sensibilities" keeps them from being sensible. I still don't understand what is the big deal about offending people. If someone offends you, let them know and maybe even pay them back in kind......then forget about it and go on with your life.
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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:
Just points out how people's "sensibilities" keeps them from being sensible. I still don't understand what is the big deal about offending people. If someone offends you, let them know and maybe even pay them back in kind......then forget about it and go on with your life.



Unfortunately this idea will never take off because there are too many people who have built their careers/reputations around being professionally offended on behalf of other people. The fact that these other people never really have the good grace to be offended by the things they're supposed to be offended by never deters the PC brigade though.
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PC is legalized bullying.  The fault of the liberal masses in colleges.  Instead of PC...we ought to revive a system of 'honor'.  The japanese have retained this system for centuries and we see how well-behaved their people were during the aftermath of the tsunami and nuclear crisis.  (There would have been full scale rioting here if that'd happened).
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
PC is legalized bullying.  The fault of the liberal masses in colleges.  Instead of PC...we ought to revive a system of 'honor'.  The japanese have retained this system for centuries and we see how well-behaved their people were during the aftermath of the tsunami and nuclear crisis.  (There would have been full scale rioting here if that'd happened).



I don't think it is fair to blame PC on the liberals......or any one group for that matter. We are all responsible for what this crap has become.
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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:


I don't think it is fair to blame PC on the liberals......or any one group for that matter. We are all responsible for what this crap has become.



What, didn't you know? Everything is the liberal's fault. Doesn't matter what it is, can be blamed on some liberal(s) somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:


I don't think it is fair to blame PC on the liberals......or any one group for that matter. We are all responsible for what this crap has become.



What, didn't you know? Everything is the liberal's fault. Doesn't matter what it is, can be blamed on some liberal(s) somewhere.

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Yeah, like everything was Bush's fault.
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Interesting.  Who then is to blame for PC.  Not traditionalists.
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Watch the show Deadwood. You won't any PCness on that show :-P

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If you want politically incorrect go watch F Troop.  They'd get sued if they tried to make something like that today.
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Most any old film.  Gone with the wind, Casa Blanca, (any Bogart film).  Bogie, Bacall, Gable, Lombard, Stewart, Stanwyck, Hope, LaMour, Crosby, ... heck, even the broads were tough.  Those were the days.

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