Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
I saw that!  You know...after all this time I still no next to nothing about the law.  but making it mandatory is probably what caused this ruling to go this way.

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
There seems to be a segment of American society that believes that if you are overweight, or smoke, or drink, or are somehow unhealthy...then you are a bad person who should have no rights.

I think that sort of thinking is behind Obamacare being mandatory.  ie... you cant be trusted to do the things you need to do to be healthy, so we're gonna make ya do it.

yeah, it's the classic nanny-state syndrome. it's collectivism, pure and simple. "because we're all in this together now, we have the ability to control your behavior, and make choices for you."

Fwiw...I still think our govt ought to do more to ensure that ALL Americans have access to good, quality affordable health care insurance.  And this makes me a left-winger to the followers of people like Glenn Beck and the Tea Party crowd.  But if we'd stop wasting so much money (billions each year), we could help an awful lot of people.

Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:

but there in lies the problem, dennis. government is inherently wasteful, and cumbersome.

Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
the more you empower a government and the more you fund a government, the more wasteful and arbitrary said government is going to be. and this is the essence of obamacare. instead of insurance reform, and actually tackling the out of control cost of healthcare, reid, pelosi, and obama all went for another massive expansion of government (which is what liberals want) which will be just as wasteful and unnecessary as all the rest. i mean, it's just the nature of government.

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:

And until we get a handle on this BS spending, we're never going to get a handle on our govt.  We need term limits for Congress and the President needs the line item veto.

i agree with the first sentence here, but am diametrically opposed to line item vetoes. it's a power that the executive branch wasn't meant to have, under the constitution. so then how do we tackle the problem? legislating mandating no earmarks, and no combining of various bills for everything under the sun.

but really, dennis, unless we force some kind of revolutionary changes, we're too far gone to turn back. the statists have the education sector and the unions in their pockets, and the media largely toes the line as well. just look at how they've depicted the tea-party. democrats have succeeded over the past 50 in winning the political dialogue. we've been in a gradual move toward the left, and that applies to both parties, with the republicans jumping onboard recently, employing "dem-lite" strategies.