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07/30/2011 9:36 pm

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Reporting from Killeen, Texas and Washington—
The suspect accused of planning an attack on Ft. Hood soldiers had holed up in a motel room in Killeen this week, authorities said, with a 40-caliber handgun, a cache of bomb-making ingredients and a plan to make this military city ache all over again.

Instead, Pfc. Naser Jason Abdo appeared Friday in U.S. District Court in Waco. There, the army private shouted his inspiration for what authorities say was a plot to set off two bombs at a popular restaurant outside the sprawling Ft. Hood military base.

"Nidal Hasan — Ft. Hood 2009!" he said, a defiant reference to the army major and psychiatrist and fellow Muslim who is charged with killing 13 people at the base nearly two years ago.

Like Hasan, Abdo was opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because he said they violated his Muslim beliefs. While stationed at Ft. Campbell, Ky., Abdo had even been approved as a conscientious objector for discharge from the army. Despite having joined the military voluntarily, he asserted that his Muslim faith prevented him from fighting. But his discharge, granted earlier this year, was put on hold soon afterward when the 21-year-old was charged with possession of child pornography. He'd been absent without leave since early July.

This week, authorities said, he checked into an Americas Best Value Inn and Suites just outside Ft. Hood.

At the hotel, where an American flag billows in the parking lot, Abdo rattled employees by pacing in the lobby while waiting for a taxi, one worker said in an interview. Abdo wore tan hospital-type scrubs and sunglasses. No one had been inside Abdo's room, the employee said, because he'd hung a do-not-disturb sign on the door.

When authorities arrested Abdo Wednesday at the motel, court papers said, they found smokeless gunpowder, shotgun shells and pellets, two clocks, two spools of auto wire, an electric drill and two pressure cookers. There was epoxy and glue, tape, gloves, a battery and Christmas lights, with some of the items in his backpack.

Abdo, court papers said, had saved an article titled, "Make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom."

In interviews with authorities, court papers said, Abdo "admitted that he planned to assemble two bombs in the hotel room using gun powder and shrapnel packed into pressure cookers" to explode at an undisclosed restaurant popular with soldiers.

Abdo was charged Friday with possession of an unregistered destructive device. If convicted, he could face up to 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines.
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07/30/2011 9:48 pm

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and this is somewhat related:


The New York Times wasted no time in jumping to conclusions about Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian who staged two deadly attacks in Oslo last weekend, claiming in the first two paragraphs of one story that he was a “gun-loving,” “right-wing,” “fundamentalist Christian,” opposed to “multiculturalism.” It may as well have thrown in "Fox News-watching" and “global warming skeptic.”

This was a big departure from the Times' conclusion-resisting coverage of the Fort Hood shooting suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. Despite reports that Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar!” as he gunned down his fellow soldiers at a military medical facility in 2009, only one of seven Times articles on Hasan so much as mentioned that he was a Muslim.

Of course, that story ran one year after Hasan's arrest, so by then, I suppose, the cat was out of the bag.

In fact, however, Americans who jumped to conclusions about Hasan were right and New York Times reporters who jumped to conclusions about Breivik were wrong.

True, in one lone entry on Breivik's gaseous 1,500-page manifesto, “2083: A European Declaration of Independence,” he calls himself “Christian.” But unfortunately he also uses a great number of other words to describe himself, and these other words make clear that he does not mean “Christian” as most Americans understand the term. (Incidentally, he also cites The New York Times more than a half-dozen times.)

Had anyone at the Times actually read Breivik's manifesto, they would have seen that he uses the word “Christian” as a handy moniker to mean “European, non-Islamic” — not a religious Christian or even a vague monotheist. In fact, at several points in his manifesto, Breivik stresses that he has a beef with Christians for their soft-heartedness. (I suppose that's why the Times is never worried about a “Christian backlash.”)

A casual perusal of Breivik's manifesto clearly shows that he uses the word “Christian” similarly to the way some Jewish New Yorkers use it to mean “non-Jewish.”

Breivik is very clear that you don't even have to believe in God to join his movement, saying in a self-interview:

Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?

A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus.

“It is enough,” Breivik says, “that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist.” That statement doesn't even make sense in America.

At the one and only meeting of Breivik's “Knights Templar” in London in 2002, there were nine attendees, three of whom he describes as "Christian atheists" and one as a “Christian agnostic.”

Breivik clearly explains that his “Knights Templar” is “not a religious organization but rather a Christian ‘culturalist' military order.” He even calls on the “European Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu community” to join his fight against “the Islamization of Europe.”

He doesn't believe in Christianity or want anyone else to, but apparently supports celebrating Christmas simply to annoy Muslims.

Breivik says he is “not an excessively religious man,” brags that he is “first and foremost a man of logic,” calls himself “economically liberal” and reveres Darwinism.

But Times reporters had their “Eureka!” moment as soon as they heard Breivik used the word “Christian” someplace to identify himself. No one at the Times bothered to read Breivik's manifesto to see that he doesn't use the term the way the rest of us do. That might have interfered with the paper's obsessive Christian-bashing.

Other famous killers dubbed conservative Christians by the Times include Timothy McVeigh and Jared Loughner.

McVeigh was a pot-smoking atheist who said, “Science is my religion.”

The Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner, was lyingly described by the Times as a pro-life fanatic. Not only did more honest news outlets, such as ABC News, report exactly the opposite — for example, how Loughner alarmed his classmates by laughing about an aborted baby in class — but Loughner's friends described him as “left wing,” “a political radical,” “quite liberal” and “a pothead.” Another said Loughner's mother was Jewish.

The only reason Timothy McVeigh has gone down in history as a right-wing Christian and Jared Loughner has not — despite herculean efforts by much of the mainstream media to convince us otherwise — is that by January 2011 when Loughner went on his murder spree, conservatives had enough media outlets to reveal the truth.

It's too bad Breivik wasn't a Muslim extremist open about his Jihadist views, because I hear the Army is looking for a new psychiatrist down at Fort Hood.

and this latest instance in the OP is being treated much the same as hasan was. while this norway shooting and its perpetrator was splashed on all the headlines as a crazy right-wing christian terrorist, naser abdo's planned attack hasn't really made any of the headlines.
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See my response to your thread on an alternate take on Islam. Basically this is the same thing.

We want to be tolerant of others so bad that we will not talk badly about any minority no matter what. We will always blame ourselves for the wrongdoings of those in the minority. PC has taught us that.
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i cant believe what I'm reading.  We are all actually agreeing here on PC!  
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
i cant believe what I'm reading.  We are all actually agreeing here on PC!  



You know I hate PC. It is my right to offend whomever I so choose whenever I so choose to. Of course the door swings both ways.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
i cant believe what I'm reading.  We are all actually agreeing here on PC!  



PC can kiss my hairy white Irish ass, and you can quote me on that

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08/03/2011 8:04 am

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
i cant believe what I'm reading.  We are all actually agreeing here on PC!  



PC can kiss my hairy white Irish ass, and you can quote me on that

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well that's not very PC
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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:

well that's not very PC



In reply I shall refer you to my previous comment. Think we could be hitting into a potential infinite loop here.... :-P
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