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 OFFLINE | this is just an exact repeat of obama trying to make settlement cessation a pre-requisite to two-state talks, back when he first came into office. then, just as now, he did this in advance of a meeting with netanyahu. remember when he disrespected netanyahu, scurried him in through the side door like some lower level diplomat, ditched him for dinner, and reportedly walked out of their meeting?
we all know that politics and diplomacy are games of negotiation; give and take. and what obama is trying to do here, is to shift the goal posts and take away all of israel's bargaining chips, before the negotiations have begun. did he even make mention of the arab's "right of return" stance? because that very issue IS the crux of the arab/israel conflict. israel will never agree to right of return, because that would be the end of israel. there are millions more "palestinians" in the countries surrounding israel, than there are israelis. and in a democratic nation, what does that mean? the end of a jewish homestate. and the palestinians will never agree to give up right of return, because that's basically the reason there's been strife since the creation of israel.
now, everyone agrees that israel has a right to exist, yet the liberal left looks at it as if israel is the problem, and they will be able to exist, without taking any of the measures to ensure that. if israel would just give in on everything, and allow the palestinians to have everything they want, then the attacks on israel, and the animosity toward israel would simply vanish away.
and the 1967 lines? giving the old part of jerusalem to the palestinians?! are you kidding me? the mount of olive, the temple mount - even the wailing wall - the church of the holy sepulcher, the garden of gethsemane, and the sight of the last supper; all would be under arab control.
we're pushing the region into war. between obama framing the upcoming two-state talks, and the islamic awakening, we're heading for disaster, because the west refuses to take the arabs at their words.
israel gave back gaza, and what did it get them? daily rocket attacks. israel gave back the sinai, and what did it get them? an arab border with gaza, from which said rockets are smuggled. israel gave back southern lebanon, and what did it get them? daily rocket attacks from hizbollah. and none of these areas were the spoils of expansionism. they all came from victories over the arabs who on numerous occassions DID try to drive the jews into the sea. now they want the jews to give up almost all of the old part of jerusalem, and the golan heights, from which the syrians DID rain down rockets and artillery shells during the 67 war.
nothing has changed. the arabs ARE STILL calling for the eradication of the jews. they still bomb israel almost daily, with no reports in the western media. it is un-freakin-believable how many people refuse to take them at their word, and how many people have forgotten the lessons of history.
as long as israel has been a state, the stated purpose of the palestinians and their supporters has been TAKING BACK the country. not two states, living peacefully beside each other. and this moral equivalence bullshit, is just flabbergasting. israel builds some jewish settlements, and the palestinians rocket attack? is that equivalent? every single time there's a conflict, it is at the behest of the palestinians. and in every instance, once israel turns control back over, and once they've bulldozed israeli settlements, it bites them in the ass. and then israel comes in with the modern implements of war, after having troops abducted within israeli soil, and after months and months of rocket attacks, and the palestinians are the victims?!
from 2001-2010 there have been more than 8,000 rockets fired on israeli civilians. of those, nearly 6000 have come from the gaza strip since israel withdrew. this year alone, there have been 193.
in 2004 75% of palestinians supported firing rockets on israel.
in 2006 63% agreed they should emulate hizbollah's tactic of firing on israeli cities.
in 2008 64% agreed they should fire rockets from gaza on israeli cities.
these are the peace loving victims we hear about? so literally THOUSANDS of rockets are fired into israel, and they don't have a right - no, an obligation - to protect their sovereignty and citizenry with force?
and all that is neglecting the history of the region, and the number of times that the nations themselves around israel have tried to take the land back BY FORCE.
im sorry, but this isn't an all things considered equal kind of situation. |
Just need to vent ...
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Originally Posted by Jann Morrison Kostka:
