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Ronald Chand If you read the prelude to this verse starting from Joel 2, it's talking about The Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord in the Bible means when Christ comes to Earth to get rid of the Antichrist and to establish His Kingdom in Jerusalem.
You know, I am tempted to re-quote the verses that you have quoted, but in it's proper context...
Joel 3:1-8 ~ "The Lord Judges the Nations"
1 “For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land, 3 and have cast lots for my people, and have traded a boy for a prostitute, and have sold a girl for wine and have drunk it.
4 “What are you to me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the regions of Philistia? Are you paying me back for something? If you are paying me back, I will return your payment on your own head swiftly and speedily. 5 For you have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried my rich treasures into your temples. 6 You have sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to remove them far from their own border. 7 Behold, I will stir them up from the place to which you have sold them, and I will return your payment on your own head. 8 I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, to a nation far away, for the Lord has spoken.”
By the looks of this verse, all the fortunes will be restored to the Israelites and it will be bad news for the neighbouring nations who have been persecuting them. Sorry to disappoint you, but the Messiah will be on Israel's side...
September 15 at 2:29am · Like · 1
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Abdul Khalil which bible you quoting from i have given from King James version. See you have said that Bible is word of God, do you think this chapter Almighty God have said this political things, "about trading a boy for prostrating" did God said that,
September 15 at 10:37am · Like
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Ronald Chand You are referring to verse 3 here. If you carefully read it again, the passage it talking about what the other nations did to Israel. It says, Joel 3:3 KJV And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. This has what happened in the past to persecute Israel and God is going to avenge it...
And just for you the whole passage in KJV translation...
Joel 3:1-8
Chapter 3
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time,
when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations,
and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat,
and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel,
whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people;
and have given a boy for an harlot,
and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon,
and all the coasts of Palestine?
will ye render me a recompense?
and if ye recompense me,
swiftly and speedily will I return your recompense upon your own head;
5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold,
and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians,
that ye might remove them far from their border.
7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them,
and will return your recompense upon your own head:
8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters
into the hand of the children of Judah,
and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off:
for the Lord hath spoken it.
September 15 at 5:13pm · Like · 1
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Ronald Chand Quote: [Hi Ron, be patient, i think your are rushing and you want all answers one go and straight away. I am not in rush. You have asked me 8 questions in one message. Bro you know i have to earn for my bread first, i have to attend parties,meet friends, have time with families, create some thing new, answer peoples calls, read and read, pray on time, and many more things].
Fair enough....take your time. It will be good to know what the contexts of your theories are because currently, they are just verses hanging in the air without any interconnection or real direction. Before asking you to write about your beliefs in a slightly more detail, I read through website http://imammahdikarim.com, where you have stated spending "22 years" to arrive to your truth!! So it shouldn't take too long. In other words, I thought you knew what you were talking about since your axioms are heavily based on the knowledge of the Mahdi, Dajjal, Isa al-Masih from the Quran and Antichrist, False Prophet and Jesus Christ the returning Messiah from the Bible.
Quote: [...you can't command me to not put any posters on facebook or any where. as i can't stop you not to do some thing which you like].
No, I can’t stop you from uploading posters. I know you are using it as your evangelistic tool but you have to provide sensible answers to people who are willing to listen to your claims with respect and love. I am one of them.
Quote: [I am uneducated person and can't type very fast, I can't give you answers like you have in your brain. I will try to express my thoughts to you]
Do not think that your level of education has a part to play in making a truth claim which can be backed by reason and substantiation. There’s no discrimination towards that. We are all learning. But in today’s world, the art of articulation of one’s point of view, reason and evidence has a huge bearing on it being accepted. Even the THEORY of evolution without any evidence or reason has taken off because some very articulate people ran with it!! It’s just the nature of the beast. Our present day society wants information presented in a systematic manner.
You can also talk to me in person if you find it hard too difficult to write things down but then your followers on Facebook will be missing out on your teaching. Alternatively, you can find someone else to write for you.
Quote: [So you said some one wants to learn, that's fine there are many scholars ask to teach them I am not the right person to learn from..... I will try to express my thoughts to you. Let others decide, if they are not happy they can ask some one else]
If you say that you "are not the right person to learn from" and "there are many scholars", then why are you doing a massive advertisement on facebook and your website to mislead your fellow brethren??
Anyway, we would like to give you an audience to present your case because we live in a free society and everyone is entitled to air their views... atleast do it with reason and evidence.
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Abdul Khalil Would you be happy if i write down the whole Quran or Bible into a long pages to explain to you about all these, it will take months to go through .
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Ronald Chand If that validates your claim then you are entitled do so. If I was you, I would pour out every ounce energy into not being misunderstood, especially if I was making such a radical claim. Personally, I can see the desire you have for this cause which is admirable. I will listen to you if you are willing to express yourself with reason and evidence... and admit any misconceptions that might be pointed in due course. Thanks...
September 17 at 4:59pm · Like · 1
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Asgar Ali I have no interest in what the Bible says; and I am not obliged to believe anything written in the Bible. There is no such thing as "the Bible". Even the Bible does not have the word "BIBLE" in it. The original Injeel (New Tetament) was revealed to Jesus in the Hebrew language. Can anyone tell me the Hebrew word for the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus.
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Asgar Ali An interesting Point: if jesus was God, as some people seem to believe, why did he need a revealed book? He shoud have known everything without refereing to a book. Another point: If Jesus was god, then it means one GOD revealed a book to another GOD. Isnt that funny and non-sensical?
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Abdul Khalil ALI ji, I understand what you asked Pastor Ron, yes Jesus did not spoke english but Hebrew, he was jew, but later new Religion Christianity was revealed to him and Christian follow that and Jesus was baptised by John then he was converted to Christian. You know what John the baptist baptised Christian God and son of God and converted to Christian. If it is not Bible true then when you read Bible or Injeel then you will come across about Jesus birth in Bible same in Quran and u don't believe that, you will read in Bible about qurbani which Ibrahim (as) did to his son Isaac and Muslim don't believe that, we say Ismail was sacrifice, how world was created in Genesus as in Quran, about Yunus (as) in Bible we read in Quran, and many things we read in Quran it is in Bible how come in Bible is not true and in quran is true, then why we Muslim believe that. Can we say how was the birth of Jesus in Bible is not true ?
Friday at 11:22pm · Like
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Asgar Ali All the heavenly books reveled before Al-Qur'aan were for the particular Ummah of that time. According to the Qur'aan none of the previous books were saved from being corrupted and changed. According to the Qur'aan we are not obliged to believe in the present form of those books. For us the Qur'aan is enough. If certain things in the Qur'aan are different from the previous books, then our job is to give preference to the Qur'aan. If we try to follow all the books then Islam will be in a MESS. Jesus was a prophet of Allah. There was no need for anyone to baptise him. The word Christian neither exixts in the Bible nor in the Qur'aan. How can you say someone was converted to Chritianity?
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Abdul Khalil Master ji you a big fool, you know 2 billion Christian what they believe, they believe which came 670 years before our Dean Islam and Quran, When you read Quran can you cut that parts off which is in the present Bible which Christian reads. Yuhdi and Nasara in Quran who are they? are they not Christian and Jews why you read this words in Quran and you are saying Bible doesn't exit, learn bit more master ji. In Bible it say's about coming of our Prophet Muhammad (saw) ( Jesus said "Ahmed will come after him" ) why you believe this which is in Bible can you cut that part and read you will get more rotten tomatoes. Any way whose Quran translation you believe and follow let me read that too. Why we have hundreds of different translation of Quran, you are blaming others. Look in your house first then look into others home.
Saturday at 12:02am · Like
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Ronald Chand Asgar Ali>>> Quote: [There is no such thing as "the Bible". Even the Bible does not have the word "BIBLE" in it.]
Tell me Mr Asgar Ali, when you were born, was there a label on your forehead saying "human being," just so that people could figure out what your were??
Would it be wrong to say that after the 66 books were collected and complied THEN it was called the Bible? The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books" ) is any one of the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity. It basically means books.
Quote: [The original Injeel (New Tetament) was revealed to Jesus in the Hebrew language]
The consensus scholarly view is that the books of the New Testament were written in Koine Greek, the language of the earliest extant manuscripts. People of that day must have spoken Hebrew and Aramaic as well.
Quote: [An interesting Point: if jesus was God, as some people seem to believe, why did he need a revealed book? He shoud have known everything without refereing to a book. Another point: If Jesus was god, then it means one GOD revealed a book to another GOD. Isnt that funny and non-sensica]
Very good question I must say. It's somewhat sounds like a "knockout punch" on the face of Christianity but...yes there a but... It is a loaded question? What would you say if I asked, "have you stopped taking drugs?" You'll be in trouble whatever you answer. Yours is a similar constructed question...
Let me help you. Read John 1:1-4 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.” Please rephrase your question. To let you know, Jesus was the Knowledge, Logos (Logic), Wisdom and Truth. He infact was the Word made flesh. He didn't write any book. Eyewitness accounts were written about Him.
So on an educational note, are all Qurans in the world exactly the same?
"What is said about Al-Mutaawwilin (those who form wrong opinions of disbelief about their Muslim brothers). Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard Hisham bin Al-Hakim reciting Surat-al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (SAW). I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited it in several different ways which Allah's Apostle (SAW) had not taught me. So I was about to jump over him during his prayer but I waited till he finished his prayer whereupon I put, either his upper garment or my upper garment, around his neck and seized him by it and asked him, "Who has taught you this Sura?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught it to me." I said (to him), "You have told a lie! By Allah, Allah's Apostle (SAW) has taught me this Sura which I have heard you reciting." So I dragged him, to Allah's Apostle (SAW), I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have heard this man reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way which you have not taught me, and you did teach me Surat-al-Furqan." On that Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "O Umar, release him! Recite, O Hisham." So Hisham recited before him in the way as I had heard him reciting. Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." Then Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "Recite O Umar." So I recited it. The Prophet (SAW) said, "It has been revealed like this." And then he added, "This Quran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite it which ever way easier for you." (See Hadith No. 514 Vol. 6) Vol. 9 - Apostates - Chapter 9 27/30)
Saturday at 12:20am · Like · 1
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Ronald Chand Asgar Ali I am also waiting for a list of the "tons of errors" that you found in the Bible. Just give me atleast a hundred with references and what they ought to be. Do not evad...See More
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Abdul Khalil Ron, it makes different to get the correct answers with people of different sects of the particular religion. You must be from one sect , like Anglician or Methodist and ask Ali wh...See More
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Gurdayal Singh abhi toh islaam islaam ko katal kar raha haye . mrere doston khajiron ka kab katalh karenge yaa fir ..iraan ka baadhshaa byethegaa ush kursi par jo abhi bhi khaalee hay jaroshlem mein .koi shak ....jitne dawegir theh sab ke sab chale gaye
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Abdul Khalil Bhai saab ,aap teekh kaha hai, musalman musalman hi ko katal kar rahen hai. Aur Iran ki nahi Daud wali gaddi par kaun baytehga. aap toh suanah hai ki mera abba kiya kahta tha. woh ...See More
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