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Well it seems we finally got Bin Laden.

What exactly does this mean???

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Means he's now fish food.  It means that no matter how long it takes, if the US wants to get ya....we'll get ya.  Let that be a lesson to the next SOB that wants to start a Holy War with us.

Btw CNN just announced that the Seal Team just got a boatload of computer info (intel) from that million dollar dump Bin Ladin was hiding in.  I dunno how they used computers with no electricity but maybe the info was just laying around.

Also...one of my former high school friends (a former Christian, turned Muslim living in Kuwait) is going around spreading the theory that this is a whole lot of bunk.  Bin Ladin wasnt killed and if he wast, he wasnt buried at sea.  Guess thats what propaganda over there will do to the gullible.  

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
Means he's now fish food.  It means that no matter how long it takes, if the US wants to get ya....we'll get ya.  Let that be a lesson to the next SOB that wants to start a Holy War with us.

Btw CNN just announced that the Seal Team just got a boatload of computer info (intel) from that million dollar dump Bin Ladin was hiding in.  I dunno how they used computers with no electricity but maybe the info was just laying around.

Also...one of my former high school friends (a former Christian, turned Muslim living in Kuwait) is going around spreading the theory that this is a whole lot of bunk.  Bin Ladin wasnt killed and if he wast, he wasnt buried at sea.  Guess thats what propaganda over there will do to the gullible.  

Kinda wanting to know what that means in terms of the War on Terror. Do we go around now proclaiming that we won??? Do we tun our attention to other parts of the world??? Have we even given any thought as to what we should do next???

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We...meaning the Obama administration?  Practically all I'm hearing on the news CNN / Fox is analysts and so-called experts saying this war aint over by a long shot.  I have no idea what Obama plans though.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:
Practically all I'm hearing on the news CNN / Fox is analysts and so-called experts saying this war aint over by a long shot.  

It ain't over. This is a morale and a PR boost and will give a sense of closure for some people after 9/11, but in real terms Bin Laden being killed will have the same effect on the war on terror as capturing/killing Saddam did on the war in Iraq. He was more a figurehead than an actual commander, the different terrorist networks are too widely dispersed and independent to have much of a concrete effect. In the short term it may actually make things eve more dangerous as there's a risk of "revenge attacks" from various groups now. Is a good time I think to steer clear of US embassies worldwide for the next few weeks....

Saw a good article on it yesterday: http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/02/bin_laden_in_death_as_in_life_much_smaller_than_meets_the_eye

One thing that this has brought up is how much the Pakistani intelligence agencies knew about where he was. His compound was 35 miles away from the Pakistani capital - and a few hundred yards from the Pakistan Military Academy - and was ten times bigger than any house around it, there's no way someone there didn't know about him. Is telling as well that apparently the US never told the Pakistani authorities about the raid until it was already underway.

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Thats what I mean about our so-called allies stabbing us in the back.  I cant believe the Pakastanis didnt know Bin Ladin was there.   And the US is funneling billions to them for their aid.  I dont trust em.  I dont trust any govt over there and wish we could pull out, concentrate on our own hemisphere and let the muslims eat each other alive.

Incidentally I noticed that we captured hard drives and a lot of intel from the Bin Ladin's compoud.  Wouldnt be surprised to hear about more riads taking place in the next few hours or days.  May even get his #2 man.  

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i'm sure we'll likely never know exactly how it went down, and now that there's retractions and new versions of events, it's just going to muddy the waters even further. not that i object, but i think it's highly likely that this was an all kill, kill or capture mission. when the obama administration hasn't detained a single terrorist, why would the prez then have the slightest inclination to capture the highest level terrorist in the world? what would we do with him, put him in gitmo? give him a trial in nyc? there's only one way that i have a problem with dropping hellfires from drones on terrorists rather than capturing them, and that's in the loss of intelligence gathered under the bush era detention policies. in fact, the very first piece of intel gathered that led us to find ubl came to us from waterboarding.

but why are they changing the story now? first, we were told that ubl was "resisting arrest," and that's why he was shot, but now they're saying he was unarmed. why not just stick with the original story?

and why the hell haven't they released the photo yet? they think they can actually get away with not showing it in this day and age? as if not showing the photo will make the radicals hate us less? we already killed him, i think that's enough to **** them off.

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All good questions.  And I agree with ya.  I think this was a kill at all costs mission too.  I suspect though that the US Navy Seal Team cmdr just decided to waste this piece of trash instead of turning him over to Eric Holder and letting him lawyer up.  with Osama's billions, he could delay his trial for years.

Also I think the Prez will be under so much pressure from the press and others that he's gonna have to release the photos.  But even if he does, there will be idiots out there who wont believe it.  Some will claim the photos were doctored.  I'm hearing things that range from 'Bin Ladin is not dead'...to 'it was bin ladin's guards who killed him'.  Some folks just dont want to believe it and some refuse to give credit to the US.

Also, while I understand the US doesnt want people to turn his grave into a shrine like Mecca, I'm still confused as to why they dumped him into Davy Jones' locker so quickly.   Maybe they did this out of some respect for Islam, I dunno.  But it would have been interesting to get an autopsy on Bin Ladin, see if he did really need a kidney.  Etc.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Young:

Also I think the Prez will be under so much pressure from the press and others that he's gonna have to release the photos.  But even if he does, there will be idiots out there who wont believe it.  

Donald Trump you mean? :-P

Also, while I understand the US doesnt want people to turn his grave into a shrine like Mecca, I'm still confused as to why they dumped him into Davy Jones' locker so quickly.   Maybe they did this out of some respect for Islam, I dunno.  But it would have been interesting to get an autopsy on Bin Ladin, see if he did really need a kidney.  Etc.

Well, they had to bury him within 24hrs under Islamic law, and there wasn't any country that would actually take the body, mainly as you said because no-one wants a "jihad shrine" on their turf. Afghanistan didn't want him, Pakistan sure weren't going to take him, and Saudi Arabia (his home country) weren't going to take him either. If they held off on the burial then you'd give the religious loonies even more reason to cry "sacrilege", "desecrating the body", "disrespecting islam" etc.  

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The following video gives an example of what the Pakistani people think of us.  There is also a very brief pic of UBL after he was killed.  Bad, but not as gruesome as one might think.

  

IMO if Pakistan's Prez didnt know UBL was in his backyard...so close to a military base, then he's either lying, or incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Kieran Colfer:

Well, they had to bury him within 24hrs under Islamic law, and there wasn't any country that would actually take the body, mainly as you said because no-one wants a "jihad shrine" on their turf. Afghanistan didn't want him, Pakistan sure weren't going to take him, and Saudi Arabia (his home country) weren't going to take him either. If they held off on the burial then you'd give the religious loonies even more reason to cry "sacrilege", "desecrating the body", "disrespecting islam" etc.  

Oh I wouldnt give up that body to anyone for any amount of money.  Lol!  I just meant you could toss it in a freezer for a few days and do what needed to be done.  THEN...dump it at sea (actually I'd bury it in the city dump).  Lol!

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i think the whole manner that the administration has handled the after effects of ubl's killing is blundersome at best. especially the way that they've been changing the story. we're now on our 3rd version of events. and if this has been in the works since last august, why the hell didn't they figure out ahead of time if they were going to be releasing any videos or photos? why is it only after bin laden's death that they began to have the debate? i'm just trying to figure out what obama stands to gain from all this dithering that's taking place. it just doesn't help things one bit.

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All good question.  I would imagine Obama is concerned about offending our Muslim allies.  Perspnal;ly I dont think we have Muslim allies.  We pay monetary "tribute" to Muslim dictators who sort of help us...when it is in their best interest.  But I dont think we can in any way trust any of them.  We cant count on them when we need them...despite the billions of taxpayer money we dole out to them.

That said, I believe if the US Navy Seals said Bin Laden is dead...then he's dead.  I dont need photos to prove it.  

GO NAVY!!!

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they said first that ubl was resisting arrest, right? they then said he was unarmed, and without body guards. then it was put out that he did have a gun, and that this gun is in u.s. possession and that there was a firefight. they are also saying that the seals covered the eyes and ears of the children to spare them the sight of seeing their father killed. bin laden's daughter meanwhile, is supposedly reporting that he was taken away alive.

so here's what i think happened. either he was unarmed and they had orders to kill him anyway, or he was drug out of there alive, interrogated, and then executed. either way, something doesn't add up here.

and it's either the obama admin is completely incapable; putting out different stories every other minute and deciding against releasing any photos, or they're purposefully trying to introduce vagueness and uncertainty about what happened. i just don't get it yet. what are they trying to hide?

regardless, i think the true version of events differs from what's being put out, and whether inadvertently or on purpose, the administration has given legs to many a conspiracy theory.

i'm wondering if that's his angle. if he wants to use this in the same way he did the birth cert issue. allow mystery to foster conspiracy theories about it, and then when it's politically convenient, dispel all the rumors, making the purveyors of those rumors look foolish. i dunno, but something is afoul.

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Great video, Dennis!  I am hoping that since this was our "objective" in Afghanistan, (getting OBL) and that has finally been acomplished that this will be a good time to get our troops out & start using more intel to deal with terrorism.  

I had heard that they weren't 100% sure OBL was there, but pretty sure it was a high level al Queda leader.  Maybe it all happened so fast & was kind of crazy that we are just getting conflicting reports. Maybe they didn't plan to kill him, but it happened.  Who knows?  Maybe that's why they hadn't made any decisions like showing photos of OBL dead... Maybe the plan wasn't to kill him?  

I am relieved that there is one less terrorist in the world. I'm not saying OBL was wrong for feeling the way he did, I'm simply sick of people dying as these wars have dragged on & on.  Bin Laden said he would bleed us dry, & he's done a pretty good job.  By the way, Bob said they should have burried him with cans of spam.  (pork)

I just read an article in Time mag about the FBI & how they are improving communication, etc, & getting better at uncovering terrorist plots.  I had just started reading it when this news broke.  How timely!