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if you have problems like this with your mask look at your goggles maybe their not duel lenses. duel lenses help keep your goggles from fogging up cuz the air in side the mask is hotter then the out side and this can cause fogging and duel lenses stop this a bit the other thing you can do is get wonder wax and you put it in side your mask and it will stop fogging. other problems that can cause fogging is using Windex on your goggles this can peel off the fog coating to prevent fogging. i hope this helps leave a commet thanks  

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Originally Posted by Philip Thomas John Marshall:
if you have problems like this with your mask look at your goggles maybe their not duel lenses. duel lenses help keep your goggles from fogging up cuz the air in side the mask is hotter then the out side and this can cause fogging and duel lenses stop this a bit the other thing you can do is get wonder wax and you put it in side your mask and it will stop fogging. other problems that can cause fogging is using Windex on your goggles this can peel off the fog coating to prevent fogging. i hope this helps leave a commet thanks  

Most inexpensive masks are single pane, most all masks say they are Anti-fog which means it will fog up 10 seconds after someone without the anti-fog coating.  

Higher quality masks usually come with a Duel Pane or Thermal lens.  Even with the Thermal lens you are not safe from fog.  Some ares you could be fine like hot dry environments.  It just depends on where you play at and how you play.

There are a number of anti-fog products on the market including some home remedies like dish soap rubbed into the lens.  All these will do is slightly delay the formation of fog.  

The only proven way to best combat fog is through a fan that delivers fresh air to the lens much like the defroster for windshield in a car.  Fans made for masks can sometimes cost just as much as the mask itself and are usually rather loud.  Simple mods such as adding a couple drops of oil to the motor can quiet the fan but the the most common use of fans is the home built fan system typically using a 20x20mm or 17x17mm fan running on a 9V battery.  Some people have made kits that you can usually buy on eBay to install these kinds of fans on your mask.  

For the most part, if you want to have a good day, get a mask that fits your with a thermal lens and attach a fan unit to it.

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A dual pane mask in general is very resistant to fogging. A good feature to look for on any good thermal mask is good upper lens ventilation. Also, a big reason masks fog is because of all that sweat that is pouring down your face. One of the best investments you can make is a "sandana" or a bandanna. Not all are created equal. The ones you can buy specifically for paintball generally have a "shammy" like material that is sewn into the fabric on the front of the headwear and soaks up a ton of sweat. Believe me, a ton of sweat. Paintballonline actually sells the "Core" brand sandanas for I think $4, and it was a great sandana especially considering the price. The only qualm I had with it was that the mesh on top was too short and didn't cover my neck. A quality mask and some sort of "sweat soaking" headwear will be your best defenses against fogging. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Formby:
A dual pane mask in general is very resistant to fogging. A good feature to look for on any good thermal mask is good upper lens ventilation. Also, a big reason masks fog is because of all that sweat that is pouring down your face. One of the best investments you can make is a "sandana" or a bandanna. Not all are created equal. The ones you can buy specifically for paintball generally have a "shammy" like material that is sewn into the fabric on the front of the headwear and soaks up a ton of sweat. Believe me, a ton of sweat. Paintballonline actually sells the "Core" brand sandanas for I think $4, and it was a great sandana especially considering the price. The only qualm I had with it was that the mesh on top was too short and didn't cover my neck. A quality mask and some sort of "sweat soaking" headwear will be your best defenses against fogging. Hope that helps.

Those can help quite a bit but still, depending on where you play and the environmental conditions, fans are so far the only thing that will safely remove fog once it starts to form and help prevent it.  Even with a Sandana or Bandanna, they are still just there to help prevent/delay any fogging.

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You are underestimating the technology and generally misrepresenting it as well. I have seen countless "fan" setups fog very quickly because people invested in the cheap JT single pane masks with no upper lens ventilation or breathing vents and heard the same advice about using a fan and wondered why the fan didn't help. I have a dye I4 mask and have had it for the past year and to this day have yet to fog it at all. The technology that goes into the mask is very important, in regards to ventilation. I will not have some huge hunky dory fan hanging off of my mask and I highly doubt most other people will want to also. I suggest you invest in a good mask that costs a bit of money, as it will be the best investment you ever made. You get what you pay for in paintball, thats for sure.

BTW, I live in oregon where it rains like crazy and gets nice and humid. I believe my environmental conditions, while not being the worst, are quite more than enough to sufficiently test the equipment.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Formby:
You are underestimating the technology and generally misrepresenting it as well. I have seen countless "fan" setups fog very quickly because people invested in the cheap JT single pane masks with no upper lens ventilation or breathing vents and heard the same advice about using a fan and wondered why the fan didn't help. I have a dye I4 mask and have had it for the past year and to this day have yet to fog it at all. The technology that goes into the mask is very important, in regards to ventilation. I will not have some huge hunky dory fan hanging off of my mask and I highly doubt most other people will want to also. I suggest you invest in a good mask that costs a bit of money, as it will be the best investment you ever made. You get what you pay for in paintball, thats for sure.

BTW, I live in oregon where it rains like crazy and gets nice and humid. I believe my environmental conditions, while not being the worst, are quite more than enough to sufficiently test the equipment.

Not having the right fan system can cause problems, most fan systems made to fit certain masks don't have the necessary air flow to work properly.  You don't need a giant fan assembly hanging off your mask, too.

What part of Oregon and what fields do you frequent?

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No, I agree with you on that. I think JT is the only commercially available goggle fan system I have seen and the fans on that are like 1/2 in. diameter. But many times I've seen people with giant 5in. computer fans hanging off the top of their masks and it makes me slap my face and ask why.......... Not saying its an overly bad idea, but ventilation is a very important aspect to the mask designs.

I am in southern/mid oregon, willamette valley. I'm part of a scenario group called Gorilla Warfare and we have a couple of our own private fields located in Cottage Grove OR. I go to paintball palace probably once a year for my birthday, and take all my coworkers and bosses with me, but other than that, I've been meaning to make my way up to Diamond Hill and check out their new speedball course. Just got back about a month ago from playing Supergame 42 at Sniperz Den. You local? Always down to meet new people.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Formby:
No, I agree with you on that. I think JT is the only commercially available goggle fan system I have seen and the fans on that are like 1/2 in. diameter. But many times I've seen people with giant 5in. computer fans hanging off the top of their masks and it makes me slap my face and ask why.......... Not saying its an overly bad idea, but ventilation is a very important aspect to the mask designs.

I am in southern/mid oregon, willamette valley. I'm part of a scenario group called Gorilla Warfare and we have a couple of our own private fields located in Cottage Grove OR. I go to paintball palace probably once a year for my birthday, and take all my coworkers and bosses with me, but other than that, I've been meaning to make my way up to Diamond Hill and check out their new speedball course. Just got back about a month ago from playing Supergame 42 at Sniperz Den. You local? Always down to meet new people.

Look online for 17x17mm 5vdc and 20x20mm fans.  Run 2 of them on a 9V with a switch for high power and very compact size.  Odds are you will only need one fan they are so powerful.

I'm in Salem, most of my team and my Teams home field is in Lebanon.  My team rolls full force with our tank in the Spring Super Games, I attended SG42 with another team rolling RED team both times.

If you got the SG42 Video, I'm all over the night game portion of the video, basically I'm the guy that has the high powered strobe light and green laser on the 416 A5 semi auto with BOA Concealer Barrel.

My team is Team WalkOns.

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Haha, I know who you were lol. I hated you (jk) I couldn't see anything from that strobe. You guys played really well. My yellow team was extremely unorganized until the sunday spoils of war, and even then it took till the end of the day. Our general was not as apt about strategy as yours. And we had a lot of people that weren't really team players. This guy Spike on our team was a tool and screwed a lot of us over for beads. I definitely look forward to the next supergame.

At least you made it in the video haha. The only shot they've got of me is me getting bunkered in the pump tourny. I had a heck of a time. My cocker broke down literally right after the night game, and my shocker decided not to work on the saturday game, so I went and bought a pink phantom from mike's booth. One of the best investments I ever made. Perchance I may run into you the next time around.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Formby:
Haha, I know who you were lol. I hated you (jk) I couldn't see anything from that strobe. You guys played really well. My yellow team was extremely unorganized until the sunday spoils of war, and even then it took till the end of the day. Our general was not as apt about strategy as yours. And we had a lot of people that weren't really team players. This guy Spike on our team was a tool and screwed a lot of us over for beads. I definitely look forward to the next supergame.

At least you made it in the video haha. The only shot they've got of me is me getting bunkered in the pump tourny. I had a heck of a time. My cocker broke down literally right after the night game, and my shocker decided not to work on the saturday game, so I went and bought a pink phantom from mike's booth. One of the best investments I ever made. Perchance I may run into you the next time around.

That's the point of the strobe, don't worry, next SG I'll have one with more than double the power (I get a bigger one each game).  I only ended up playing the night game for SG42 as I could not afford the whole thing (had other games in the weeks before and afterwards more important) but I was there for the whole weekend keeping our team hydrated and on the field for as long as possible.  

Unfortunately for Yellow, your General only stayed for the Friday Night and Saturday Game.  He left just after the Saturday game just like he told our General he would on the Thursday before the game.

Ah, Spike...  I know him well.  He used to be on our team till he left and formed his own team.  From what I hear, something happened and he left his team and is now doing something else.  I don't have anything against Spike but I know of a team or 2 that likes to put a price on his head at games lol.

The HellFish, when they take video at these games, for every hour of video shot, 1 minute of it is usable in a video. I also picked up a Phantom from SG, I won the SSC Phantom on Saturday.  There is a game going on in Canby mid next month, OutLaw and LawDogs by OKC that is pump and pistol only.

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Ah, congrats on the phantom! Free markers are always a good thing. Ya, I just got tired of spike running off, not telling us what he is doing, and coming back mumbling about how no one will help him with anything. Your team was literally more helpful in most situations than he was cause we met up with some reds on the night game and they worked with us to eliminate some renegades. The games got alot better when we got a new general on Sunday, that guy knew how to stir the pot. I like coordination and thats what he was all about. Anyways, it was fun, I will be at 43. Ill let the thread go back to topic.

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Yea, probably should go back on topic, perhaps we shall meet at a future game, you planning on being Red or Yellow?

Well, I got a couple different fan systems I'm working on, helmet based design, remote design (high flow, no noise), and a 0 moving parts defogger.

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FANZ order them. they have 25mm and 20mm already with battery pack. these things are quite. make sure you have both pointed down= NO FOG

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I'm not sure which color. I'm considering red because its my understanding they usually have the most support team wise, and I would love to have picked up more than 6 sets of beads on the spoils of war game. I can't believe the numbers of beads the red team was walking off the field with. I just want to be out and about doing things. I hate sitting around trying to find some people brave enough to roll with my scenario team and do some great things on the field. Good luck with the fans man. Sounds like you love to do different projects. I'm looking forward to seeing some more cool stuff from you.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Formby:
I'm not sure which color. I'm considering red because its my understanding they usually have the most support team wise, and I would love to have picked up more than 6 sets of beads on the spoils of war game. I can't believe the numbers of beads the red team was walking off the field with. I just want to be out and about doing things. I hate sitting around trying to find some people brave enough to roll with my scenario team and do some great things on the field. Good luck with the fans man. Sounds like you love to do different projects. I'm looking forward to seeing some more cool stuff from you.

Yea we got some good teams to run with.  Red team is typically mostly woodsballers and yellow ends up being more speedballers.  I got plenty of projects, including some that cause people to go off the deep end believing it could be considered cheating even when it is far from it.