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I did not vote in the 2008 election and will defend anyones right not to vote, for that in itself is a vote. It was obvious to me what Obama was, and equally obvious was the fact that McCain was not what he wanted us to believe. On the McCain side of the story, Sarah Palin had stirred enthusiasm and wanted to run with the ball, telling the truth to all who would listen. McCain and his advisors held her back and stopped her when she wanted to bring Obama's socialism to the fore front, but the worst part was when close to the election McCain actually told Americans that Obama was NOT a socialist, and that he was a good Christian, and a solid family man. McCain, following instructions chose to ignore all of those links to racism, crime, and terrorists that were apparent to all who would see.

Today the worst that many conservatives can find to say about Sarah Palin is that she was part of the McCain team. She was taken in and used by in the same fashion as was every American citizen who voted for him.

You vote Republican, you vote Democrat, or a non vote is your statement that neither one is deserving of the office, and a non-vote was my choice in 2008. I still believe in the non-vote concept but this time, I see things in a different perspective; that being, we MUST get Obama out of office. If he is elected for a second term this country will never see another election because by 2016 his grip on power will be unshakable.

The reason that I am writing this is that in recent discussion about various politicians, three people have told me that if "....."  wins the primaries they will not vote. In but one week, talking to three people about three different politicians, I have already heard plans of three non-votes, and that is a luxury we can no longer afford. We MUST unseat Barrack Hussein Obama! There are candidates in the running that I do not care for, nor approve of, but if it comes down to voting for a candidate I disapprove of or entering a non-vote and allowing Obama a second term to finish the destruction of America he began in 2009, my choice will be obvious.

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I've never missed a Presidnetial election.  I, too, didn't care much for McCain in 2008, but given the choice between McCain and Obama, I voted for Sarah Palin for VP.

In the 2012 election, I will not vote for Obama.  I will do dilligent research on the GOP candidates in the primary before giving my support and vote to one of them.

Danny is correct, America can not stand a second Obama term.  It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, challenges Obam for the Democratic Party nomination in 2012.  WIl the Demcorats put up any viable candidates?  Or, will they put up a token candidate just to make the race seem competitive?

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I have never done the "not vote," because I have always seen the elections (both primaries and main election)  as picking between the lesser of evils.  I did not want to give to someone else, the option of speaking for me in the election.

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One of my biggest concerns is that our votes will be dilluted by an independant. Donald Trump or the like. This would make a shoe in for Obummer!! I really have my doubts as to whether Donald is serious or, just another tool for the Democrats!!

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That is a possibility.  Many others have so speculated.  If he runs as an independent, he is very likely to pull enough votes from the Republican that Obama will get elected.  But He will have to go toe to toe with others that have seriously been preparing for years, if not decades for this time.  It is early in the process.  

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He could indeed wreck the train for all of us. I have often said that he has never met a camera he didn't like. The man is a definite attention hound and this may well be another of those "Hey look at me" episodes.

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Donald Trump is a liberal. People say to me all the time, well so was Reagan. Excuse me. Reagan as a Democrat was soooooooooo much different than the Democrats of the last 25 years. Reagan would never belong to this liberal side of the Aisle. NEVER.

Donald Trump, is a liar, thief, he has been bankrupt, and I wish people would really start listening when he speaks.
During his Interview with Hannity all I have heard, is all the awards he has won, and how good he is. No substance, it is just like Perot. Hey Donald how are you going to fix this? Well I won an award, I have three awards for that, so you can bet with me with my awards that won't happen. No Donald how are you going to fix it, make sure it doesn't happen. Well I got that award because I am doing the right things, so you can be sure I will do the right things.

In 2007 Trump did an interview, and stated with due diligence, that Obama was great. He liked the guy and he Will be a great President, and unlike Bush he will make us loved. Today Obama sucks. Trashed Bush for 8 years. Trashed Carter, and he loves the Clintons. His financial records prove who he supports. I have checked election results. He gave to Hillary's senate campaign she had a Republican run against her for Senate, he donated every time. Schumer has had Republican's run against him he gave to schumer. He did NOT support sharron Angle that was his time to come out and do so, considering all the business he does in Las Vegas, instead he gave to Harry Reid. Gave to Gillibrand and he just gave what 40,000 to Rahm Emmanuel's mayoral campaign.

Donald Trump is not this great business man. he made his wealth from his dad. He is not a moral man, proof the Alcoholic Drug Addict, from Miss America. What did he allow to happen to Carrie Prejean but he is a christian. What happened with the Political choice of Miss America, coming from Michigan and she was supported by Hamas. The political correct questions coming from judges. Then there is his life. OH my goodness, the affairs. the children. it is disgusting.

Donald now threatens to run as an Independent, if he doesn't win the Republican Nomination. HAHAHA donald you must start as an independent, and stay that way. You can't switch. If you run as a Republican and lose, it is against the election laws to flip to Independent. Cant do it. Must do what Perot did. But to say he would even do that, and then say I would be sad because Obama would win, WAKE UP THAT IS YOUR CLUE to KNOW that he is not for this country, he is for himself, and HE LOVES OBAMA. Have you wondered if he is the shill to take the focus off Obama? come on.. It just ticks me off.

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Trump is is a member of the Trump party.  Until he talks serious policy, and not populist rhetoric, he will be marginalized, and the birth certificate thing will only get people to look at him for a while, it won't be enough to get him elected, because people want intelligent substantive discussions more than ever.

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Welcome aboard Karen. I'm glad to see that you have joined us on the forum. Quite honestly I know precious little about Donald Trump other than his camera loving persona. As far as politics go I have been in the dark as to his leanings, but with comments such as yours I shall not remain that way for long. And that, is why I started this forum. I firmly believe that the more each of us learns and shares the more we'll all know. Obama is in office because of corrupt people helping him, a progressive media covering up his true politics while hiding his mistakes and an uninformed public going blindly to the polls and voting.
Every truth that is shared here will be increased knowledge for all and as this forum grows it will become knowledge for many. We must defeat Obama and that can only be done with knowledge and unity, for unified we will become strong. With conservatives increasing in numbers as deluded liberals learn the truthm we will make gains and remove that evil from the oval office. Feel free to invite anyone you choose to the forum. As they say "United we stand" ... I don't want to ever see this nation fall.

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The following essay is copied in its entirety from Tea Party Nation. I did not post this as a link as I do not believe that anyone one who is not a member of TPN would be able to read it, and the author has discussed some issues that are well worth reading.


Judson Phillips

The disturbing campaign of Donald J. Trump

Donald Trump’s unofficial campaign for President has gone to warp speed.  He is now the top candidate in many of the polls.  In the blink of an eye, he has passed Romney, Gingrich, Bachmann and even Palin.

The eyes of the country and the media are upon the Donald.  He is certainly saying a lot of things people want to hear.  He has been absolutely relentless on the birth certificate issue.   He has said political correctness is killing the country.  He has not been shy about going after Muslims or the Chinese.   He wants to repeal Obama care, does not approve of gay marriage and is pro-life. He says he is blunt and he is right about that.  He is blunt.  But is he right?

Donald Trump is an American icon, bigger than life.  Trump can sell ice to Eskimos.  The question a lot of us need to start asking is, what is he selling America?

If Donald Trump really believes what he is saying and would really govern that way, he could go down as a great President.  But there are some disturbing questions about Trump.

Trump’s right hand man and political director is a guy named Michael Cohen.   Cohen is a former trial lawyer who has an impressive political background.  An impressive political background in Democratic politics.

Cohen has been involved in a number of political campaigns and worked for some other politicians.  All liberal Democrats.  Cohen voted for Obama in 2008 and enthusiastically supported him in the first few months of his administration.  Those were the same few months that the Tea Party sprang to life.

Cohen and Trump have a mutual passion.  Making money.  This is something they have both talked about and Cohen has invested in a number of Trump projects.  There is nothing wrong with making money; in fact, making money from the free market is one of the greatest things about America.

Cohen once worked for Joe Moakley, a liberal Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts.   He also volunteered for the campaign of Michael Dukakis in 1988.

Cohen in interviews acknowledges his past support of Obama but now says his big concerns are the unsustainable debt, the economic down turn that has cost jobs and America not being respected in the world.

Those all sound like Tea Party positions.

Twelve years ago, Donald Trump, as we pointed out in an earlier blog, was almost 180 degrees opposite of where he sits today.  In 1999, while thinking about running for the Reform Party nomination, he said he was pro-abortion and favored a single payer health system.  He used the words, “I am very liberal” when talking about health care.

Do people change their beliefs over time?  Sure they do.

Do people who want to be elected to high office tell us what they think we want to hear?  Absolutely.

What about Donald Trump?  In 2007, when congratulating Nancy Pelosi on her election to the Speaker’s chair penned, “you’re the best.”  Trump contributed $50,000 to Rahm Emanuel’s campaign for Mayor.

Given Trump’s previous liberal beliefs and given that one of his top operatives helping him has a history of supporting nothing but liberals and absent a “Damascus Road conversion,” we have to wonder if Trump is only telling us what we want to hear.

The 2012 election for president is too important for us to take a chance on just what we want to hear.  

Judson Phillips

Visit Tea Party Nation at http://www.teapartynation.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network

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Thank you for the link to "tea party nation", Judson. I have signed up. I have spent a good deal of today and yesterday discussing Trump and my fears. I was surprised at the following he has already aquired. I believe I have made headway in waking up "some" people to the dangers of this man and his determination to run. All any of us can do is keep shaking the hornets nest. Anyone who knows me knows that I will not tolerate ignoranc. (",)

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Everything that Judson has said, I have been posting for Weeks on my wall. Including the tape where he said he loved Obama, and the note about pelosi being great, and he was highly disappointed, that she didn't impeach bush. People were calling me names for it. That is great coming from Conservatives. I have finally started to change people's minds, especially when I put the information out about Cohen. Everyone should remember Cohen,. Gosh he was on the news talking about him.

If you vote for Trump your voting for the destruction of america.

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Hello everyone. For whatever it is worth there is something that I would like to point out that I haven't read yet, although I did not read ALL the posts.  I am not in the best of positions to be sure, living with someone else to have someplace to live, while attending medical school of sorts. The Lord has taken me on a journey which began oh about 4 years ago concerning my personal education of this country. I have learned alot but nothing in comparison to what I still have to learn. A few days ago while talking to the Lord about this whole mess the U.S., and the world for that matter, is in right now, I was reminded that HE is in control. God is in control. I find that very difficult believe at times with the immense suffering going on throughout the world but nonetheless it is true. This is a very good forum, not the only one, but a great example of concerning American citizens-intelligent, concerned American citizens might I add. God has a plan that will not be thwarted in any way. The gates of hell will not prevail against it. Did God allow Obama in office? Of course He did. Why? that is another question we could all present reasons to. It has awaking many people having a fraud in office, the corruption goes in every direction. As long as we educate ourselves as much as possible and keep God in the forefront He will guide our every step to His will.

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I am delighted to see friends coming together and expressing themselves. This is what a forum is all about; a free exchange of ideas resulting in both learning and teaching. Yesterday I admitted that I knew very little about Donald Trump. I can no longer say that, and I am not liking the things that I have learned.

This discussion is but an offshoot of the topic, "Presidential Hopefuls."
http://apps.facebook.com/facebook_forums/presidential_hopefuls-6060/
or you can go to the top of this page, click forum, move down the page to NEWS ROOM and enter the topic "Presidential Hopefuls." I always strive to be unbiased as much as possible and the information that I was able to gather was put together in a format to present all candidates in their best light. That does not mean to say that comments have to do the same. I would like for everyone to feel free to go to any of the candidates rooms and post your thoughts, whether good or bad, about any candidate you choose to discuss. The whole idea of what I have done is to create an atmosphere of openness and honesty.
The results of the last Presidential campaign is a great indicator of what happens when people do not know the truth about candidates and issues. As a result of that election we find more Americans now interested in politics than in any election in a century. Americans are angry, frustrated, and wanting change...Constructive change. There is no better way to get this than with the truth.

I believe that we all share one common goal and that is to unseat Obama, but doing so and putting another progressive into office gets us no where, and that can be avoided only if we spread the facts. We all know that if we wait for the media to tell people what they want to hear we lose. Nor can we tell them what they want to hear. We must wake them up with reality, and there is less than two years to accomplish this, and I believe that we can contribute substantially.

I built this forum for one reason...To influence people. I can influence a few on my wall. I can influence more with the essays that I write, but I feel that forming a unified group, and then as each member of that group encourages others to join, we will grow stronger. Together we can influence many, and do a great deal to turn the tide against those who would oppress us.

Karen, what you wrote above is inspiring and proves my point. You said that you were warning people of a danger and they laughed at you, and they are slowly seeing the light. Take a quick look up this page and see the strength of many who support your statements. Bring those doubting people here, You were one voice in the wilderness, you are not alone anymore. This is the power of unity and that unity is what will change America.

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Karen is a great source of info on who Trump really is.

In my opinion, he is first and foremast a media-hound.  He craves the attention.  He knows how to work a crowd.  He has read the tea leaves and sees that the majority of people in America do not like where the country is heading under President Obama.  He is saying he wants to see Obama's birth certificate, knowing that will get many people on his band wagon.  He also is saying Obama is the worst President in US history.  Funny,he said the same about Bush 43.

As Karen has pointed out, Trumps main supporter/pusher is an Obama supporter.  The press and the Democrats are hoping Trump runs.  They would really love fr him to be the GOP nominee knowing that will turn off the Tea Party members.  Hopefully the GOP will nominate someone who will have a legitimate chance of denying President Obama a second term.  If Trump fails to get the GOP nomination, his backers will push him to run as an independent, hoping he will draw more votes from the GOP nominee than from President Obama and ensure President Obama a 2nd term.