| 01/16/2011 7:20 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 7 Posts: 21
 OFFLINE | stay calm everyone, she's been teaching the same stuff repeatedly for over two months and that's why you're all confused. all you need to understand is the difference between plots and storys, kernel and satellite events, static and dynamic (which relates to kernel vs satellite) and that freud is a giant doo-doo head.
any questions? |
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| 01/16/2011 7:24 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 1 Posts: 18
 OFFLINE | Yes, will this group also be providing aspirin/advil and similar (legal!) substances to get us through the home exam? |
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| 01/16/2011 7:31 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 1 Posts: 6
 OFFLINE | I am willing to sell, how much would you pay |
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| 01/16/2011 7:40 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 1 Posts: 18
 OFFLINE | If you have magic pills that will help me pass this course with my dignity intact, that is priceless. But I shall pay one gazillion (Canadian) dollars for those. |
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| 01/16/2011 7:45 am |
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 OFFLINE | OK from experience (2nd year woot woot!) Zisser's class can be really nervewracking BUT all you have to do is write whatever she said back to her with different wording. Just get a good summary and try to understand what she's trying to say. |
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| 01/16/2011 8:07 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 7 Posts: 21
 OFFLINE | things gleaned from today's study session:
1) there is a story, and a plot. the story begins at the beginning and ends at the end, whereas the plot may be rearranged differently.
2) a story may have satellite events: these are static by their nature because they don't change the story. if it does change the story, it's dynamic.
3) a story may have subplots. any event on a subplot* is static as far as the story is concerned, but dynamic as far as the subplot is concerned. if a subplot's event is a kernel event (ie dynamic) of the main story, then it's not a satellite event and cannot be static.
* or story, don't be alarmed - the event order doesn't really matter
4) freud's letter 52: freud states that we remember events, but the order and connections between them are injected by our subjective minds. that means that you can take any set of events and rearrange them to fit what you're looking for.
to prove this, he does so with oedipus. then he goes "hey, man, that's awesome! oedipus works with everything!" and states that he's found the baseline for all our thoughts. in truth, he could've tested with any mythological narrative and found a match. and then little hans wouldn't have believed that he wanted to sleep with his mother. |
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| 01/16/2011 10:56 am |
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 OFFLINE | Also, Tomashevski calls kernels bound and satellites free motifs.
It is easy to get confused because either all the critics say the same thing using different words, or they say distinct but similar things using the same words. |
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| 01/16/2011 11:32 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 7 Posts: 21
 OFFLINE | oh, right. and to distinguish between aristotle and the russians, imagine that the texts are canvases and that the kernels are painted with black paint, whereas the satellite events are painted in colour. the greeks (aristotle) think that black and white only are better art, and the russians (tomoshevsky, shklovsky, whoever) prefer things to be colourful. |
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| 01/21/2011 8:39 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 7 Posts: 21
 OFFLINE | http://books.google.co.il/books?id=xs8l4rQwenIC&pg=PA328&lpg=PA328&dq=shlovsky+motif&source=bl&ots=B2v_gd6V1V&sig=T4sEz6VuadaHPlj96fh7Yd9pdAc&hl=en&ei=W5o5TZfGFYTBswbi5rzzBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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| 01/27/2011 9:54 am |
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Regist.: 01/19/2011 Topics: 2 Posts: 7
 OFFLINE | What on god's green earth is Overbury? |
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| 01/28/2011 5:09 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 0 Posts: 2
 OFFLINE | Maybe this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Overbury
I have no idea what this Overbury thing is all about. |
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| 01/28/2011 5:18 am |
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Regist.: 01/19/2011 Topics: 2 Posts: 7
 OFFLINE | I swear she didn't mention him in class... Despite my lack of attention... |
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| 01/28/2011 7:03 am |
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Regist.: 01/19/2011 Topics: 2 Posts: 7
 OFFLINE | A technical question- in part two question C, when it says to "support your answer with particular literary examples" what literary text are they talking about? Anything I want? |
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| 01/28/2011 8:19 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 1 Posts: 18
 OFFLINE | I validate your claim that she never mentioned this Overbury dude in class. And I can't recall a mention of him in any of the assigned texts.
However, this text by him is on the syllabus:
T. Overbury, from Overburian Characters
So you best start by reading that.... |
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| 01/28/2011 9:09 am |
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Regist.: 01/16/2011 Topics: 0 Posts: 1
 OFFLINE | does anyone know which articles discuss deep structure\surface structure? |
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