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More advice......be willing to accept a job. Entry level positions are never as glamorous as we would like, but you can't start at the top.....which is what most of them really want.

Best way to break all this up......start up a job fair in the same area. The protesters would run for the hills.

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LOL!  Good idea.

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Sort of on the same topic:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/12/1025555/-Open-Letter-to-that-53-Guy

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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:
More advice......be willing to accept a job. Entry level positions are never as glamorous as we would like, but you can't start at the top.....which is what most of them really want.

Best way to break all this up......start up a job fair in the same area. The protesters would run for the hills.

While there certainly is some truth to what you say, that's only one minor theme of the protests.  Much of what has come to resonate is that a) traders were allowed to wreck our economy without consequence, b) take government money and then pocket it instead of applying it to the intended purpose without anyone getting prosecuted, and c) the role of large corporations/the wealthy in our political system which to date has resulted in systematic corruption (you can only vote for who the rich will allow to make it to the primaries [hence Buddy Roemer hasn't been making headlines], and then once elected the politicians do the rich's bidding so they can secure their support for the reelection campaign).

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:
More advice......be willing to accept a job. Entry level positions are never as glamorous as we would like, but you can't start at the top.....which is what most of them really want.

Best way to break all this up......start up a job fair in the same area. The protesters would run for the hills.

While there certainly is some truth to what you say, that's only one minor theme of the protests.  Much of what has come to resonate is that a) traders were allowed to wreck our economy without consequence, b) take government money and then pocket it instead of applying it to the intended purpose without anyone getting prosecuted, and c) the role of large corporations/the wealthy in our political system which to date has resulted in systematic corruption (you can only vote for who the rich will allow to make it to the primaries [hence Buddy Roemer hasn't been making headlines], and then once elected the politicians do the rich's bidding so they can secure their support for the reelection campaign).

Originally Posted by Mark Mardell:

Their "frequently asked questions" sheet says: "We seek to end the collusion between corrupt politicians and corporate criminals…

"Democracy has never been a spectator support and Americans have an obligation, particularly if we claim to love our country, to build serious and meaningful change from the bottom up."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15300501

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:
More advice......be willing to accept a job. Entry level positions are never as glamorous as we would like, but you can't start at the top.....which is what most of them really want.

Best way to break all this up......start up a job fair in the same area. The protesters would run for the hills.

While there certainly is some truth to what you say, that's only one minor theme of the protests.  Much of what has come to resonate is that a) traders were allowed to wreck our economy without consequence, b) take government money and then pocket it instead of applying it to the intended purpose without anyone getting prosecuted, and c) the role of large corporations/the wealthy in our political system which to date has resulted in systematic corruption (you can only vote for who the rich will allow to make it to the primaries [hence Buddy Roemer hasn't been making headlines], and then once elected the politicians do the rich's bidding so they can secure their support for the reelection campaign).

Really, I don't get that at all. The one they held in NOLA was nothing more than a collection of who's who in early 20something counterculture. About the only message was one of anti-capitalism......maybe that is why Soros is dumping money into this. Let's be honest, if your points were really true, then these people would be part of the Tea Party.  

BTW-nice Roemer reference. He really did try when he was governor, but he wasn't as strong as Jindal. Edwards supporters were also more entrenched at that time than they are now.

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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:


Really, I don't get that at all. The one they held in NOLA was nothing more than a collection of who's who in early 20something counterculture. About the only message was one of anti-capitalism......maybe that is why Soros is dumping money into this.

Because it would make a world of sense for an uber-capitialist like Soros to try to destroy the very institution he's so good at working.  Unless, of course, you consider banning the purchase and sale of politicians on the open market anti-capitalism.

Let's be honest, if your points were really true, then these people would be part of the Tea Party.

No, the Tea Party is the exact opposite.  Most of these folks are trying to get corporations' mitts off the government while the Tea Party is trying to (in my least cynical interpretation) get government completely out of business (that is to say its OK for corps to flood politics with money, but its not OK for the government to tell corps that they can not dump chemicals in the Cuyahoga River).  Hence most TPers support the Citizens United v. FEC ruling.

BTW-nice Roemer reference. He really did try when he was governor, but he wasn't as strong as Jindal. Edwards supporters were also more entrenched at that time than they are now.

I really don't know much about Mr. Roemer.  I just remember seeing an interview with him where he discussed how troubled he was by the influence of corporate money in politics and that in protest he wouldn't accept a donation over $100 (I'm fairly certain it was $100).  That impressed me, but thats all I really know about him.  I'm not impressed with Mr. Jindal, he's the genius that called government funding of research on Cascades volcanoes a waste of taxpayer money (apparently he doesn't think developing a sufficient understanding of volcanic mechanisms to predict an eruption early enough to evacuate those living in affected areas.  Apparently 3.34 million dead Americans in the Seattle-Tacoma area is of no concern to him.)

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:


Because it would make a world of sense for an uber-capitialist like Soros to try to destroy the very institution he's so good at working.  Unless, of course, you consider banning the purchase and sale of politicians on the open market anti-capitalism.

This statement lets me know that you have no idea just how Soros makes his money. You do realize that most people on the planet consider him an economic terrorist right??? I'll give you a hint......he makes his money from the collapse of nation's economy. He has openly stated he wants to collapse tUS economy on numerous occasions. His hand is in this because it is his money that paid for the ads, emails, and phone calls trying to get support for this. This has been in the works for quite some time.

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

No, the Tea Party is the exact opposite.  Most of these folks are trying to get corporations' mitts off the government while the Tea Party is trying to (in my least cynical interpretation) get government completely out of business (that is to say its OK for corps to flood politics with money, but its not OK for the government to tell corps that they can not dump chemicals in the Cuyahoga River).  Hence most TPers support the Citizens United v. FEC ruling.

This statement lets me know how you have no understanding what the Tea Party wants or stands for. Did you miss the message that the Tea Party was angry over how banks and businesses were bailed out at an expense to the people??? Did you miss the part where they were mad at how many businesses get preferential treatment from government only after those businesses give large donations to government??? You prolly did. You were prolly too busy believing the lies of racism in the Tea Party. You are prolly too busy to see the uncountable videos coming from these rallies calling for the deaths of all the "Zionist Jews" that run the banks. You prolly have missed the calls coming from these rallies for violent measures and even violent revolt. You know, the same exact thing that never came from a Tea Party rally.

Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:

I really don't know much about Mr. Roemer.  I just remember seeing an interview with him where he discussed how troubled he was by the influence of corporate money in politics and that in protest he wouldn't accept a donation over $100 (I'm fairly certain it was $100).  That impressed me, but thats all I really know about him.  I'm not impressed with Mr. Jindal, he's the genius that called government funding of research on Cascades volcanoes a waste of taxpayer money (apparently he doesn't think developing a sufficient understanding of volcanic mechanisms to predict an eruption early enough to evacuate those living in affected areas.  Apparently 3.34 million dead Americans in the Seattle-Tacoma area is of no concern to him.)

You are misrepresenting what Jindal said here. He said what he said because the money he was talking about was packaged in the stimulus bill. It doesn't matter how important studies like that are.......the funding did not belong in the stimulus bill because it was not stimulating economic growth.......pretty much bottom line. Is that all you got on him???

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Originally Posted by Bryant Platt:


While there certainly is some truth to what you say, that's only one minor theme of the protests.  Much of what has come to resonate is that a) traders were allowed to wreck our economy without consequence, b) take government money and then pocket it instead of applying it to the intended purpose without anyone getting prosecuted, and c) the role of large corporations/the wealthy in our political system which to date has resulted in systematic corruption.

No Bryant, there is not much truth to those 3 points as they pertain to these protests. It is about class warfare/anticapitalism plain and simple. If those points were true, then these demonstrations would have happened much sooner. Also if there were truth to these points, as they pertain to these protests, then the average age of the protester would be more indicative to those who did actually lose something and not the early20something that is there.

No Bryant, as much as I respect you as a person, you are just plain wrong on this. These are nothing more than a tool to drum up support for the Democratic party so that the Tea Party's influence in the upcoming election will be minimized. That is why they were well planned and well financed.

I also find it funny that these protests are now happening in other countries. All have the same anti-capitalist/revolution-not-reform message.

I feel sorry for the protesters. They really have no idea what is about to happen globally and how they are affecting it. I wonder if you even see what is coming. You should. You used to love history.

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Originally Posted by Mark Simmons:

Best way to break all this up......start up a job fair in the same area. The protesters would run for the hills.

This is STILL the best suggestion I have heard so far.  

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yeah i love how these anti-capitalist pukes are picking and choosing who should have their wealth confiscated. david koch? boo evil capitalist. george soros? keep moving, next house.

and the timing of all this reveals that it is NOTHING more than a far-left election cycle attempt at splitting this country down the middle through class warfare. and so a wide ranging amount of support is being pumped into this thing, 3 years AFTER the financial collapse. and guess who has been in office, all that time. guess who had a supermajority for two years, to enact any and everything he could get away with. and guess whose economy it is now. yet, no protests in DC...

here's the split. these pecker heads blame the capitalist aspect of our ever increasingly state controlled economy, whereas conservatives and the tea party blame the source. we blame those who enact laws that push for an even firmer grasp of the economy.

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Obviously nothing more than a mob of evil, stoned, uneducated, marxist, anti-capitalists muttering pure nonsense...

Occupy Fresno adds to growing national protest

By Marc Benjamin / The Fresno Bee

Protesters calling themselves "America's 99%" demanded an end to what they view as corporate and lobbyist control of the U.S. government at a gathering Thursday outside the U.S. District Courthouse in downtown Fresno.

That corporate control, they say, has forced middle-class Americans to subsidize large corporations and the wealthy who don't pay their fair share of taxes, hire the unemployed or lend money.

"The top 1% makes 40% of the wealth in America," said Jean Kennedy, 57, a Fresno City College and Fresno State professor. "We are being held hostage by the very few."

She was among about 150 people at Occupy Fresno, one of about 200 Occupy Wall Street events occurring across the United States this week in solidarity with an ongoing protest in New York's financial district.

Hundreds have been arrested in New York, and a Thursday protest in Los Angeles also led to about a dozen arrests. There were no arrests at the Fresno protest.

"We do support the movement and the goal to end corporate control of our lives and our government," said Dan Yaseen of Peace Fresno, one of several groups involved in the protest.

Every person at the Fresno protest represents 1,000 people who didn't show up, he said.

Many protesters carried signs with sayings such as "Corporations are not people," "Medicare for all" and "Tax Wall Street." Passing drivers honking their support frequently drowned out some of the speeches and music.

Debra Williams, 56, of Fresno, said she lost her teaching job two years ago and hasn't been able to find a new one, even though she has filed applications all over the state.

America, she said, is going in the wrong direction when cuts are made to education and the wealthiest Americans get tax breaks.

The country, she said, needs to fight "corporate greed and material possessions."

Tanya Rios, a 17-year-old high school student, was going to Fresno's downtown library when she saw the protest and grabbed a sign.

"These people are actually doing something that they believe in," she said. "It's not for money, but to get other people to pay their fair share."

Others viewed the protest as an unusual hodgepodge of grievances.

Kurtis Willey, 28, a Ron-Paul-for-President supporter, said he went to see what the protest was about.

He said he doesn't see many differences between Paul's agenda and what the protesters want, including an end to America's wars. Willey, a member of Buchanan High School's class of 2001, which has lost eight men in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Occupy Fresno protesters can find plenty of common ground with Paul.

"Americans are mad about everything right now," he said. "But this isn't a Tea Party-Progressives fight like the media wants to say it is; it's an American fight."

Across the street, Fresno State student Justin Thomason, 21, had a white board and markers and changed his message every so often, each message showing his support for America's wealthiest 1%.

"Whatever you earn should be yours," he said. "You should have to pay for the police, fire department and roads, but 1% already pay too much."

Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/10/06/2567346/occupy-wall-street-protest-underway.html#ixzz1bGaqKzrA

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Originally Posted by Dødherre Mørktre:
yeah i love how these anti-capitalist pukes are picking and choosing who should have their wealth confiscated. david koch? boo evil capitalist. george soros? keep moving, next house.

and the timing of all this reveals that it is NOTHING more than a far-left election cycle attempt at splitting this country down the middle through class warfare. and so a wide ranging amount of support is being pumped into this thing, 3 years AFTER the financial collapse. and guess who has been in office, all that time. guess who had a supermajority for two years, to enact any and everything he could get away with. and guess whose economy it is now. yet, no protests in DC...

Yeah.  I still dont know what these guys want.